Why don't Democrats and Republicans collude together?

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My question stems from Why don't China, Russia, USA and EU establish complete world dominance?.



Why don't Democrats and Republicans collude together to establish a total and perpetual control on the country?



What makes them not to do that? Is there any explanation other than Prisoner's dilemma?



Note. I am not fluent in US political/electoral structure.







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    How do you wish "collude" to be interpreted? E.g. there are several states with election laws which treat the major parties differently from other parties and individuals. Does that count as collusion, or does it need to be less accidental than that?
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    What do you mean by "total and perpetual dominance of the country"? Those two political parties have dominated Congress and the Presidency for well over a century, so it seems like their job is already done. Are you more asking why they don't work together to pass legislation that outright makes other parties illegal?
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    Why would they need to? It is already locked into a two party system with them in control for the most part
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    How do you know they're not colluding? In fact both parties have recently had major campaigns by anti-establishment candidates (Sanders (D) and Trump (R)) that were largely premised on the claim that the elected officials of both parties ("the establishment") were in fact in cahoots.
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    They do. Most bills are passed with bipartisan and often unanimous support, although a modest subset are partisan and/or controversial. Democrats and Republicans combined have had total control of the country since the late 19th century.
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This question is true for any 2-party system.



My question stems from Why don't China, Russia, USA and EU establish complete world dominance?.



Why don't Democrats and Republicans collude together to establish a total and perpetual control on the country?



What makes them not to do that? Is there any explanation other than Prisoner's dilemma?



Note. I am not fluent in US political/electoral structure.







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    How do you wish "collude" to be interpreted? E.g. there are several states with election laws which treat the major parties differently from other parties and individuals. Does that count as collusion, or does it need to be less accidental than that?
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    What do you mean by "total and perpetual dominance of the country"? Those two political parties have dominated Congress and the Presidency for well over a century, so it seems like their job is already done. Are you more asking why they don't work together to pass legislation that outright makes other parties illegal?
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    Aug 3 at 18:10






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    Why would they need to? It is already locked into a two party system with them in control for the most part
    – Joe W
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    How do you know they're not colluding? In fact both parties have recently had major campaigns by anti-establishment candidates (Sanders (D) and Trump (R)) that were largely premised on the claim that the elected officials of both parties ("the establishment") were in fact in cahoots.
    – Joe
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    They do. Most bills are passed with bipartisan and often unanimous support, although a modest subset are partisan and/or controversial. Democrats and Republicans combined have had total control of the country since the late 19th century.
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This question is true for any 2-party system.



My question stems from Why don't China, Russia, USA and EU establish complete world dominance?.



Why don't Democrats and Republicans collude together to establish a total and perpetual control on the country?



What makes them not to do that? Is there any explanation other than Prisoner's dilemma?



Note. I am not fluent in US political/electoral structure.







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This question is true for any 2-party system.



My question stems from Why don't China, Russia, USA and EU establish complete world dominance?.



Why don't Democrats and Republicans collude together to establish a total and perpetual control on the country?



What makes them not to do that? Is there any explanation other than Prisoner's dilemma?



Note. I am not fluent in US political/electoral structure.









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    How do you wish "collude" to be interpreted? E.g. there are several states with election laws which treat the major parties differently from other parties and individuals. Does that count as collusion, or does it need to be less accidental than that?
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    What do you mean by "total and perpetual dominance of the country"? Those two political parties have dominated Congress and the Presidency for well over a century, so it seems like their job is already done. Are you more asking why they don't work together to pass legislation that outright makes other parties illegal?
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    Why would they need to? It is already locked into a two party system with them in control for the most part
    – Joe W
    Aug 3 at 18:11






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    How do you know they're not colluding? In fact both parties have recently had major campaigns by anti-establishment candidates (Sanders (D) and Trump (R)) that were largely premised on the claim that the elected officials of both parties ("the establishment") were in fact in cahoots.
    – Joe
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    They do. Most bills are passed with bipartisan and often unanimous support, although a modest subset are partisan and/or controversial. Democrats and Republicans combined have had total control of the country since the late 19th century.
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    How do you wish "collude" to be interpreted? E.g. there are several states with election laws which treat the major parties differently from other parties and individuals. Does that count as collusion, or does it need to be less accidental than that?
    – origimbo
    Aug 3 at 18:03






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    What do you mean by "total and perpetual dominance of the country"? Those two political parties have dominated Congress and the Presidency for well over a century, so it seems like their job is already done. Are you more asking why they don't work together to pass legislation that outright makes other parties illegal?
    – Giter
    Aug 3 at 18:10






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    Why would they need to? It is already locked into a two party system with them in control for the most part
    – Joe W
    Aug 3 at 18:11






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    How do you know they're not colluding? In fact both parties have recently had major campaigns by anti-establishment candidates (Sanders (D) and Trump (R)) that were largely premised on the claim that the elected officials of both parties ("the establishment") were in fact in cahoots.
    – Joe
    Aug 3 at 18:46






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    They do. Most bills are passed with bipartisan and often unanimous support, although a modest subset are partisan and/or controversial. Democrats and Republicans combined have had total control of the country since the late 19th century.
    – ohwilleke
    Aug 3 at 20:26







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How do you wish "collude" to be interpreted? E.g. there are several states with election laws which treat the major parties differently from other parties and individuals. Does that count as collusion, or does it need to be less accidental than that?
– origimbo
Aug 3 at 18:03




How do you wish "collude" to be interpreted? E.g. there are several states with election laws which treat the major parties differently from other parties and individuals. Does that count as collusion, or does it need to be less accidental than that?
– origimbo
Aug 3 at 18:03




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What do you mean by "total and perpetual dominance of the country"? Those two political parties have dominated Congress and the Presidency for well over a century, so it seems like their job is already done. Are you more asking why they don't work together to pass legislation that outright makes other parties illegal?
– Giter
Aug 3 at 18:10




What do you mean by "total and perpetual dominance of the country"? Those two political parties have dominated Congress and the Presidency for well over a century, so it seems like their job is already done. Are you more asking why they don't work together to pass legislation that outright makes other parties illegal?
– Giter
Aug 3 at 18:10




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Why would they need to? It is already locked into a two party system with them in control for the most part
– Joe W
Aug 3 at 18:11




Why would they need to? It is already locked into a two party system with them in control for the most part
– Joe W
Aug 3 at 18:11




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How do you know they're not colluding? In fact both parties have recently had major campaigns by anti-establishment candidates (Sanders (D) and Trump (R)) that were largely premised on the claim that the elected officials of both parties ("the establishment") were in fact in cahoots.
– Joe
Aug 3 at 18:46




How do you know they're not colluding? In fact both parties have recently had major campaigns by anti-establishment candidates (Sanders (D) and Trump (R)) that were largely premised on the claim that the elected officials of both parties ("the establishment") were in fact in cahoots.
– Joe
Aug 3 at 18:46




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They do. Most bills are passed with bipartisan and often unanimous support, although a modest subset are partisan and/or controversial. Democrats and Republicans combined have had total control of the country since the late 19th century.
– ohwilleke
Aug 3 at 20:26




They do. Most bills are passed with bipartisan and often unanimous support, although a modest subset are partisan and/or controversial. Democrats and Republicans combined have had total control of the country since the late 19th century.
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I mean, we've had exclusively Democrat or Republican governments for well over 150 years, I'm not sure how else you'd measure "total and perpetual dominance".






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    ~150 out of last 242 years to be exact for the two existing parties. At a rate around 61.2% of the entire history of the US belonging to these two parties, it's hard to quantify it as anything but total dominance.
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    @Anoplexian - The Republican Party has only been in existence 164 years. There were certainly times before then (and since) that there were more or less than 2 serious active parties in POTUS races, but the fact that it always reverts to 2 is simply a universal effect of first-past-the-post elections. Math is not a conspiracy.
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    @DavidRice - The elections of 1948 and 1968 (and arguably 1960) had three parties that won multiple states (and the same set of states, with roughly the same issues all 3 times). There was a realignment going on, and it was up in the air who the two parties left would be once it completed. When it did, the names of the two surviving parties hadn't changed, but they were both so different that some might consider that a technicality.
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Let's imagine that this were to actually happen. Major members of the two parties realized that what you said was true, and that if they could cooperate then they would totally and completely dominate the political system, and could do whatever they wanted, no matter what the electorate said, and no matter how bad it was for those governed.



They would soon realize that there was a problem, in that the electorate like to have a choice, and would unquestionably form some sort of opposition to any government that tried to rule without offering a choice.



The solution they would come up with, in order to make this dominance happen, would be to offer the illusion of choice. So they would agree to offer the electorate two alternatives, ensuring their continued dominance in two ways:



  1. Making the two 'alternatives' actually very similar. So rather than offering options that might be popular in other countries, such as increased healthcare or higher wages, offer two choices that differ only very slightly from each other.

  2. Keep up the appearance of strong enmity between the parties, and couple it with a very complex and oppositional legislative system, with no way of resolving disputes if two parts of the legislature disagree. This ensures that there is always a good reason not to pass laws or make changes, no matter how popular. It's always the fault of that pesky other party that nothing can be done.

So that's what would probably happen if this was tried. I leave any conclusions to the reader.






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    'higher wages' What country has higher median wages than the USA? (Answer: none.) Maybe you mean higher minimum wages, which don't necessarily mean higher wages overall?
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    I think that "higher wages" is clear, and the link for "household disposable income" does not tell us what the median wage is (first, it is a mean; second, it includes property income)
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    @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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    @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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    You're essentially describing the status quo?
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I actually upvoted K Dog's answer because "uniparty" is probably the hypothesis being advanced by the question (which itself is rather vague). But it's also easy to see why doesn't really work that way: primaries. It's easy for a party to change is position over time when its candidates are elected too, and that happens in the primaries. Just look how the Republican part of the "uniparty" got turned toward a new discourse by the Trump takeover. Not long before that was the Tea Party etc.



The "uniparty" only lasts as long as there's not a strong enough grassroots base for some divergent idea to be embraced by candidates in the primaries of one of the parties (but not the other). And there can be many such issues causing a divergence. And empirical data nicely shown in another question here actually points to a divergence rather than converges of the two main parties on ideology. The graph in the question linked is only about Congress, but there's separate data that that divergence really comes from the public divergence (i.e. it's not just some fight between two small cliques of politicians):



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So you can't get a "uniparty" from that trend... unless the elections get subverted somehow.



The importance of the primaries in the US for the good functioning of the democracy as really representative is emphasized by the laws that provide public funding for primaries, etc., in order to prevent them from being a closed club.






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    This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
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  • @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
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  • I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
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    Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
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In the US, the two parties comparative to most of Europe are not ideologically far apart. First-past-the-post elections tend to concentrate on winning the "independent" voter which has a tempering impact on ideological shift. What you are referring to has a name; it's called the uniparty that is generally benefits from Pax Americana and is globalist, free-trade, open-borders, and definitely pro-spending. Here's a snippet on the uniparty.




The Republican Party’s leaders have functioned as junior members of America’s single ruling party, the UniParty. Acting as the proverbial cockboat in the wake of the Democrats’ man-of-war, they have made Democratic priorities their own when the White House and the Congress were in the hands of Republicans as well as in those of Democrats, and when control has been mixed. The UniParty, the party of government, the party of Ins, continues to consist of the same people. The Outs are always the same people too: American conservatives. They don’t have a party.



Whatever differences exist within the Uniparty, between Republican John Boehner and Democrat Nancy Pelosi, between Republican Mitch McConnell and Democrat Harry Reid, get worked out behind closed doors. Those differences are narrow. The latest negotiations were over some $80 billion out of three trillion dollars in spending. The bipartisan negotiators did not let into the room any of the major issues that concern Americans. Not Obamacare, not racial preferences, not religious liberty, not endless no-win wars. The UniParty is unanimous: more of the same!




Here's some more from Politico




“The Uniparty” is the latest populist buzzword to seize the imagination of the drain-the-swamp crowd, those who see grand conspiracies in the machinations of the “deep state” and globalist-corporate forces. It has a crisp clarity, instantly conveying the idea of an establishment cabal, Democrat and Republican alike, arrayed against their outsider hero, Donald Trump.



But while “the Uniparty” may be trendy among the Breitbart set, it wasn’t born there. In fact, if you go back to the contentious presidential race of 2000, you’ll find it arose as a political barb among supporters of Ralph Nader, running as the nominee of the Green Party.



Numerous posts on the Usenet newsgroup alt.politics.green from that year railed against “the two-headed UniParty,” “the money-driven media/political uniparty environment,” “the corporate Uniparty grip on the civic polity,” and so forth.




This article also is really good






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    American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
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This is so-called two steps forward, one step back approach in controlling population



You create two at first glance bitterly opposed parties that seemingly oppose each other on number of important issues. One party comes to power and impose some unpopular law or issue. Other party rides on wave of popular indignation with the measure, but when finally after elections comes to power does little or nothing to change situation. Instead, it repeats the cycle with some other unpopular act, and cycle repeats itself.



Other parties and other issues (which could be very important, but two major parties agree on them) are ignored by mass media, so voters do not know about them .



Examples from real life :
Most Americans started opposing Iraq war in 2005. War was Republican endeavor, and led to rise of Democrats and Obama who portrayed themselves as doves. But when Democrats took power, they actually increased US military involment around the world, especially in Middle East (Libya, Syria etc ...)



Most Americans opposed homosexual marriage in 2009. It was Democrats measure to push it on whole country, with lot of Republicans bitterly opposing it. But when Republicans finally took power in 2017 they declared that "homosexual marriage is law of the land" and did nothing to overturn this decision.



Large number of Americans oppose abortion, especially late-term abortion . In fact anti-abortionist are becoming majority lately. Republicans often campaign on this issue, and often enact some minor laws on state level that more usually then not get overturned by Federal judges. Yet, despite obvious problem (Roe v. Wade) , Republicans never muster an effort to define unborn children as humans (let's say from seventh week of pregnancy) , therefore giving them legal protection from killing.



As we could see from this example, both Republicans and Democrats act like different cycles of same engine that pushes US in direction not necessarily in interest of its population, and their largely ceremonial confrontation sucks the oxygen from other political movements.






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  • Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
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  • Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
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Walter Karp argued that US political parties form a virtual bipartisan oligarchy which colludes together for the primary purposes of mutual self-preservation and maintaining organizational power in his 1973 Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America.






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  • The summary is rather weak. Have a copy, but haven't yet more than skimmed it...
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let's turn the question around and assume that we already have such a situation where both parties have (at least de-facto) merged into a single Party. Then because the public opinion on many issues tends to have a 50-50 split due to social dynamics, this will cause tensions within the Party. Many issues will have a typical conservative or liberal points of view, so there will be strong correlations between Party members and their views; typically two party members will agree with each other on most issues or they will disagree with each other on most issues. This will then ultimately cause the Party to break-up into a liberal faction and a conservative faction.



This instability of a single Party state will then prevent two dominant parties from merging into a single Party.






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    The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
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    You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
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They did when they had a common external enemy, and the world was better for it.



The United States fought the fascists during World War II (1941-1945), and the Soviet Union during the Cold War (1945-1991). During this period, the country faced a common external enemy, and Democrats and Republicans cooperated to unprecedented levels. Among the accomplishments:



  • Willingness from both political parties to engage in foreign affairs, form alliances, and negotiate treaties and trade pacts.

  • Serving as a political and economic superpower.

  • Actively participate in the United Nations and NATO.

  • Aiding other countries through the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, which helped the reconstruction of much of Europe and Japan after WWII.

  • Development of the Interstate Highway system.

  • Funding (or in some cases, directly pursuing) scientific research through the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, Department of Energy, and DARPA.

  • Through DARPA, funding the initial development of the Internet that you are now using.

  • Providing funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education.

  • Providing stable government institutions. As much as Reagan talked about cutting government, in practice most agencies grew during his tenure.

  • Enthusiastically operating a space program -- and most notably -- putting men on the moon.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the enemy became each other. Democrats and Republicans turned on each other, in increasing rounds of tit-for-tat. Indeed, during the last 25 years we have seen the following:



  • Paranoia that the United Nations is a world government which is controlling American politics.

  • Using foreign countries as a scapegoat for job losses.

  • Isolationism.

  • Withdrawal from NATO, NAFTA, TPP, and other alliances and trade pacts.

  • The loss of international respect and influence of the United States.

  • Cutting foreign aid (particularly for "s---hole countries").

  • Deteriorating infrastructure (e.g. collapsed roads and bridges, contaminated public water supplies). Refusing to repair or replace it because of a fear of taxes and government spending.

  • Cutting scientific funding (e.g. Superconducting Supercollider).

  • Mocking science as an "opinion" (e.g. evolution, climate change, endangered species).

  • Refusing to regulate the monopolies that control much of the Internet.

  • Cutting funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education (mostly by state governments).

  • Turning education over to for-profit corporations.

  • Mocking (e.g. "Deep State"), defunding, and harassing government institutions.

  • Allowing the space program to wither to the point where we use Russian rockets to send astronauts into space.





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    Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
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    Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
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The mathematical steady-state for any voting system is a number of parties roughly inversely proportional to the amount of the vote it takes to get elected. In a national plurality system, that works out to 1 / 0.50, or 2. This is known as Duveger's Law.



Historically you can see this. There have been multiple times in US history there were more or less than 2 major parties, but it always ended up stabilizing after an election cycle or two back to 2 parties.



What you are asking about is a situation where there effectively becomes only one party. This actually happened in the mid 1810's when the Federalist Party collapsed, and the early 1850's when the Whigs did likewise. What has always happened is that a new second party naturally forms (actually, usually several, but the strongest 2 parties in the system end up surviving).



My favorite way of explaining the US system to those used to Parliamentary Democracy, is to think of US parties as coalitions, not parliamentary parties. Looking at it that way, the coalitions are formed before the elections (via party alignment), and then the voters get to choose which of the two is the ruling coalition, and which is in opposition.






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  • In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
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  • @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
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The Democratic and Republican parties colluded to disenfranchise 3rd parties by creating the commission for presidential debates in 1987.



The Wikipedia page goes into excellent detail on the history of this commission - I'll include several tidbits of information from it:




In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H. W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the lecterns. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that it was withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."




Ross Perot ran for President and was able to participate in the debates. He garnered a small but significant amount of votes in 1992.



In part due to Ross Perot's and Ralph Nader's impact in the 1992 and 1996 elections, the commission (run by Republicans and Democrats) in 2000 changed the rules for who could participate in the debates which, for all practical purposes, eliminated the chances for a 3rd party to get into the debates.




In 2000, the CPD established a rule that for a candidate to be included in the national debates he or she must garner at least 15% support across five national polls. This rule has been controversial as it has effectively excluded U.S. parties other than the two major parties.




This rule has successfully been challenged in court due to the 15% being arbitrary.




In February 2017 the suits by Johnson, Stein et al were reheard and the judge ruled that the Federal Election Commission had not provided sufficient justification for its decision not to engage in rulemaking, and ordered the Commission to either provide a more sufficient justification for its position, or to alter the Commission's rules.




The Republicans and Democrats colluded to exclude practical challenges to their hold over the political system.






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    There are two possible conspiracies here, and I will address them both:



    First, you could have an open or mostly open collusion. This would take away the illusion of choice from the population and likely lead to a countermovement, which within a short time would set up a third party and gather a considerable amount of votes, enough to upset the balance of power. The reason is that the feeling of control is a core psychological human need. Helplessness is a terrifying feeling (and is, in fact, a core element of any effective terrorism strategy). If you want to prevent a third party demolishing your conspiracy, you need to subvert the election process to the point of abandoning it, which is likely to provoke an even stronger reaction from the people. Such takeovers have been successful a few times in history (Nazi Germany being the most well-known example), but they required extraordinary external circumstances to let the population accept it and not rise up in revolt.



    Second, you can have a hidden collusion which maintains the illusion of choice, but ensures through backroom dealings that on important matters, a consensus is maintained. Conspiracy theorists claim that this is actually the status quo. There definitely is some collusion on matters where incidentally both parties have a shared interest - for example, election reforms are unlikely to pass despite making rational sense because both parties benefit from the system as it is now.



    There is a third alternative that maintains that political parties are a scam anyway and real politics is made elsewhere. There are in fact a lot of real-world incidents were politics were made by the party you would least expect it from (e.g. the decidedly unsocial reform of the unemployment system in Germany by the social-democratic party in the early 2000s), and there are numerous people in second-rank political positions (e.g. directly underneath ministers) who have been in that position during multiple administrations with opposing agendas, during which the ministries politics did not actually change very much, indicating that they depend more on its top-level leadership than the minister heading it.



    So all of that put together leads to the conclusion that the current system benefits more people better and carries less risk of being overthrown than an outright takeover by an open collusion. If the actors in the system act rationally, they will maintain and evolve the current system over any kind of powerplay into the direction of tyranny.



    tl;dr: Because it works






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      The primary driving force for U.S. members of congress (MoC) is pleasing your constituents and pleasing your donors; with pleasing your party's national convention being a third priority. Despite many of the other answers, an American MoC doesn't vote in an attempt to preserve a uniparty. If a MoC represents a district heavily predicated on sugar, and they receive large donations from the oil lobby, then that MoC's voting record is going to reflect a lot of pro-sugar, pro-oil bent. They might vote nay on anything outside of pro-sugar, pro-oil interests unless they can get a small pro-sugar or pro-oil earmark added to the bill or curry a favor that they can leverage later. There are a lot of MoC who do not have enough spine to vote in a way that would be politically unpopular in their district; i.e. pleasing the district voters is paramount. This is mostly out of self-interest; but anyone who believes in Republican representation respects the importance of representing your constituency's values, tempered with your own greater judgment (you were selected to be the smartest version of your constituency, after all).



      However, many politicians actually do have ideology, and they got into politics for a reason. Outside of the tactics they use to get elected and stay elected, they still have an ambition to set policy on some economic and/or social issues that they care about. This is the battleground of most congressional votes. Most bills connect with each MoC in some ideological way, either for or against, but fail to connect with the special interests that they are personally subject to. Apart from the MoC's ideology, each bill tends to have some implication to the party platforms, and so all other things being equal, a MoC is likely to vote in according with their party platform. For instance, the DNC's platform favors greater funding for public education, so if a bill came up that appropriated greater funding for public education, it is likely that almost all Democratic MoC would vote in favor of it, excluding possibly 1 or 2 who might not be able to due to their district's special interests.



      There are very few times or motivations when it mutually benefits both parties to collude to pick election winners. Party polarization actually drives greater campaign donations and richer politicians, so collusion would generally not benefit them on the whole. Moderation would occur either as a tactic to seize moderate voters and win elections, or out of the altruistic recognition that moderate policies are the most tolerable for the greatest amount of the population.



      There are, however, a small number of policies in which the two parties do benefit from cooperating on. For instance, any radical campaign finance reform would strengthen independent parties, weaken Democrats, and weaken Republicans even more. Also, replacing the first-past-the-post (FPTP) election system with a superior system would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the top two parties. More inclusive public debates would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the two top parties (they would also reduce the public's ability to decide between the Republican and Democratic candidates, which is actually problematic, given that some voters already struggle to pick the better candidate). These are all areas in which the top two parties are unlikely to vote for reform.



      But anyways, to the original question: why WOULDN'T they collude? The answer is because there is nothing stopping an outsider like me from running in a party primary, trying to get the party nomination, possibly winning it, and then trying to win the general. Even if the RNC offered to concede a loss in Ohio in exchange for a win in Illinois; they can't stop me, a self-interested party, from trying to run and pursue my own interests, which are in direct conflict with their agreement. Another reason is because there is genuine animus between the parties. A third reason is because there are not any real amount of benefits to this collusion -- why compromise when you can attempt to win it all? A fourth reason is the risk of facing charges of election tampering or conspiracy to defraud the public if they are caught. I honestly don't see how a rational mind could see there being more benefits than liabilities to party collusion (at least in America's current political environment. I could definitely see it in a system were several strong parties are all legitimately in-play).






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        I mean, we've had exclusively Democrat or Republican governments for well over 150 years, I'm not sure how else you'd measure "total and perpetual dominance".






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          ~150 out of last 242 years to be exact for the two existing parties. At a rate around 61.2% of the entire history of the US belonging to these two parties, it's hard to quantify it as anything but total dominance.
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          @Anoplexian - The Republican Party has only been in existence 164 years. There were certainly times before then (and since) that there were more or less than 2 serious active parties in POTUS races, but the fact that it always reverts to 2 is simply a universal effect of first-past-the-post elections. Math is not a conspiracy.
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          @DavidRice - The elections of 1948 and 1968 (and arguably 1960) had three parties that won multiple states (and the same set of states, with roughly the same issues all 3 times). There was a realignment going on, and it was up in the air who the two parties left would be once it completed. When it did, the names of the two surviving parties hadn't changed, but they were both so different that some might consider that a technicality.
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        I mean, we've had exclusively Democrat or Republican governments for well over 150 years, I'm not sure how else you'd measure "total and perpetual dominance".






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          ~150 out of last 242 years to be exact for the two existing parties. At a rate around 61.2% of the entire history of the US belonging to these two parties, it's hard to quantify it as anything but total dominance.
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          @DavidRice - The elections of 1948 and 1968 (and arguably 1960) had three parties that won multiple states (and the same set of states, with roughly the same issues all 3 times). There was a realignment going on, and it was up in the air who the two parties left would be once it completed. When it did, the names of the two surviving parties hadn't changed, but they were both so different that some might consider that a technicality.
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        I mean, we've had exclusively Democrat or Republican governments for well over 150 years, I'm not sure how else you'd measure "total and perpetual dominance".






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          ~150 out of last 242 years to be exact for the two existing parties. At a rate around 61.2% of the entire history of the US belonging to these two parties, it's hard to quantify it as anything but total dominance.
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          @DavidRice - The elections of 1948 and 1968 (and arguably 1960) had three parties that won multiple states (and the same set of states, with roughly the same issues all 3 times). There was a realignment going on, and it was up in the air who the two parties left would be once it completed. When it did, the names of the two surviving parties hadn't changed, but they were both so different that some might consider that a technicality.
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          ~150 out of last 242 years to be exact for the two existing parties. At a rate around 61.2% of the entire history of the US belonging to these two parties, it's hard to quantify it as anything but total dominance.
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          @Anoplexian - The Republican Party has only been in existence 164 years. There were certainly times before then (and since) that there were more or less than 2 serious active parties in POTUS races, but the fact that it always reverts to 2 is simply a universal effect of first-past-the-post elections. Math is not a conspiracy.
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          @DavidRice - The elections of 1948 and 1968 (and arguably 1960) had three parties that won multiple states (and the same set of states, with roughly the same issues all 3 times). There was a realignment going on, and it was up in the air who the two parties left would be once it completed. When it did, the names of the two surviving parties hadn't changed, but they were both so different that some might consider that a technicality.
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        ~150 out of last 242 years to be exact for the two existing parties. At a rate around 61.2% of the entire history of the US belonging to these two parties, it's hard to quantify it as anything but total dominance.
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        @Anoplexian - The Republican Party has only been in existence 164 years. There were certainly times before then (and since) that there were more or less than 2 serious active parties in POTUS races, but the fact that it always reverts to 2 is simply a universal effect of first-past-the-post elections. Math is not a conspiracy.
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        @DavidRice - The elections of 1948 and 1968 (and arguably 1960) had three parties that won multiple states (and the same set of states, with roughly the same issues all 3 times). There was a realignment going on, and it was up in the air who the two parties left would be once it completed. When it did, the names of the two surviving parties hadn't changed, but they were both so different that some might consider that a technicality.
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        Let's imagine that this were to actually happen. Major members of the two parties realized that what you said was true, and that if they could cooperate then they would totally and completely dominate the political system, and could do whatever they wanted, no matter what the electorate said, and no matter how bad it was for those governed.



        They would soon realize that there was a problem, in that the electorate like to have a choice, and would unquestionably form some sort of opposition to any government that tried to rule without offering a choice.



        The solution they would come up with, in order to make this dominance happen, would be to offer the illusion of choice. So they would agree to offer the electorate two alternatives, ensuring their continued dominance in two ways:



        1. Making the two 'alternatives' actually very similar. So rather than offering options that might be popular in other countries, such as increased healthcare or higher wages, offer two choices that differ only very slightly from each other.

        2. Keep up the appearance of strong enmity between the parties, and couple it with a very complex and oppositional legislative system, with no way of resolving disputes if two parts of the legislature disagree. This ensures that there is always a good reason not to pass laws or make changes, no matter how popular. It's always the fault of that pesky other party that nothing can be done.

        So that's what would probably happen if this was tried. I leave any conclusions to the reader.






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          'higher wages' What country has higher median wages than the USA? (Answer: none.) Maybe you mean higher minimum wages, which don't necessarily mean higher wages overall?
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          I think that "higher wages" is clear, and the link for "household disposable income" does not tell us what the median wage is (first, it is a mean; second, it includes property income)
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          @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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          @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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        Let's imagine that this were to actually happen. Major members of the two parties realized that what you said was true, and that if they could cooperate then they would totally and completely dominate the political system, and could do whatever they wanted, no matter what the electorate said, and no matter how bad it was for those governed.



        They would soon realize that there was a problem, in that the electorate like to have a choice, and would unquestionably form some sort of opposition to any government that tried to rule without offering a choice.



        The solution they would come up with, in order to make this dominance happen, would be to offer the illusion of choice. So they would agree to offer the electorate two alternatives, ensuring their continued dominance in two ways:



        1. Making the two 'alternatives' actually very similar. So rather than offering options that might be popular in other countries, such as increased healthcare or higher wages, offer two choices that differ only very slightly from each other.

        2. Keep up the appearance of strong enmity between the parties, and couple it with a very complex and oppositional legislative system, with no way of resolving disputes if two parts of the legislature disagree. This ensures that there is always a good reason not to pass laws or make changes, no matter how popular. It's always the fault of that pesky other party that nothing can be done.

        So that's what would probably happen if this was tried. I leave any conclusions to the reader.






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          'higher wages' What country has higher median wages than the USA? (Answer: none.) Maybe you mean higher minimum wages, which don't necessarily mean higher wages overall?
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          I think that "higher wages" is clear, and the link for "household disposable income" does not tell us what the median wage is (first, it is a mean; second, it includes property income)
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          @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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          @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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        Let's imagine that this were to actually happen. Major members of the two parties realized that what you said was true, and that if they could cooperate then they would totally and completely dominate the political system, and could do whatever they wanted, no matter what the electorate said, and no matter how bad it was for those governed.



        They would soon realize that there was a problem, in that the electorate like to have a choice, and would unquestionably form some sort of opposition to any government that tried to rule without offering a choice.



        The solution they would come up with, in order to make this dominance happen, would be to offer the illusion of choice. So they would agree to offer the electorate two alternatives, ensuring their continued dominance in two ways:



        1. Making the two 'alternatives' actually very similar. So rather than offering options that might be popular in other countries, such as increased healthcare or higher wages, offer two choices that differ only very slightly from each other.

        2. Keep up the appearance of strong enmity between the parties, and couple it with a very complex and oppositional legislative system, with no way of resolving disputes if two parts of the legislature disagree. This ensures that there is always a good reason not to pass laws or make changes, no matter how popular. It's always the fault of that pesky other party that nothing can be done.

        So that's what would probably happen if this was tried. I leave any conclusions to the reader.






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        Let's imagine that this were to actually happen. Major members of the two parties realized that what you said was true, and that if they could cooperate then they would totally and completely dominate the political system, and could do whatever they wanted, no matter what the electorate said, and no matter how bad it was for those governed.



        They would soon realize that there was a problem, in that the electorate like to have a choice, and would unquestionably form some sort of opposition to any government that tried to rule without offering a choice.



        The solution they would come up with, in order to make this dominance happen, would be to offer the illusion of choice. So they would agree to offer the electorate two alternatives, ensuring their continued dominance in two ways:



        1. Making the two 'alternatives' actually very similar. So rather than offering options that might be popular in other countries, such as increased healthcare or higher wages, offer two choices that differ only very slightly from each other.

        2. Keep up the appearance of strong enmity between the parties, and couple it with a very complex and oppositional legislative system, with no way of resolving disputes if two parts of the legislature disagree. This ensures that there is always a good reason not to pass laws or make changes, no matter how popular. It's always the fault of that pesky other party that nothing can be done.

        So that's what would probably happen if this was tried. I leave any conclusions to the reader.







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          @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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          @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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          @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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          @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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        @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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        @reirab Household disposable income is not the same as wages, and the data you link to only includes 35 countries out of 193. The US does not have the highest wages in the world. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
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        @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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        @MikeScott Yes, OECD is only 35 countries, but it includes nearly all countries with fully-developed economies. At any rate, your link shows exactly one country with a mean wage higher than the U.S., a city-state banking center. Not sure that the existence of exactly one country with a higher mean wage than the U.S. (by around 3%) is really helping DJ's point.
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        I actually upvoted K Dog's answer because "uniparty" is probably the hypothesis being advanced by the question (which itself is rather vague). But it's also easy to see why doesn't really work that way: primaries. It's easy for a party to change is position over time when its candidates are elected too, and that happens in the primaries. Just look how the Republican part of the "uniparty" got turned toward a new discourse by the Trump takeover. Not long before that was the Tea Party etc.



        The "uniparty" only lasts as long as there's not a strong enough grassroots base for some divergent idea to be embraced by candidates in the primaries of one of the parties (but not the other). And there can be many such issues causing a divergence. And empirical data nicely shown in another question here actually points to a divergence rather than converges of the two main parties on ideology. The graph in the question linked is only about Congress, but there's separate data that that divergence really comes from the public divergence (i.e. it's not just some fight between two small cliques of politicians):



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        So you can't get a "uniparty" from that trend... unless the elections get subverted somehow.



        The importance of the primaries in the US for the good functioning of the democracy as really representative is emphasized by the laws that provide public funding for primaries, etc., in order to prevent them from being a closed club.






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          This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
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        • @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
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        • I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
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          Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago














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        I actually upvoted K Dog's answer because "uniparty" is probably the hypothesis being advanced by the question (which itself is rather vague). But it's also easy to see why doesn't really work that way: primaries. It's easy for a party to change is position over time when its candidates are elected too, and that happens in the primaries. Just look how the Republican part of the "uniparty" got turned toward a new discourse by the Trump takeover. Not long before that was the Tea Party etc.



        The "uniparty" only lasts as long as there's not a strong enough grassroots base for some divergent idea to be embraced by candidates in the primaries of one of the parties (but not the other). And there can be many such issues causing a divergence. And empirical data nicely shown in another question here actually points to a divergence rather than converges of the two main parties on ideology. The graph in the question linked is only about Congress, but there's separate data that that divergence really comes from the public divergence (i.e. it's not just some fight between two small cliques of politicians):



        enter image description here



        So you can't get a "uniparty" from that trend... unless the elections get subverted somehow.



        The importance of the primaries in the US for the good functioning of the democracy as really representative is emphasized by the laws that provide public funding for primaries, etc., in order to prevent them from being a closed club.






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          This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
          – K Dog
          2 days ago











        • @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
          – Fizz
          2 days ago











        • I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
          – SJuan76
          2 days ago







        • 1




          Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago












        up vote
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        up vote
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        I actually upvoted K Dog's answer because "uniparty" is probably the hypothesis being advanced by the question (which itself is rather vague). But it's also easy to see why doesn't really work that way: primaries. It's easy for a party to change is position over time when its candidates are elected too, and that happens in the primaries. Just look how the Republican part of the "uniparty" got turned toward a new discourse by the Trump takeover. Not long before that was the Tea Party etc.



        The "uniparty" only lasts as long as there's not a strong enough grassroots base for some divergent idea to be embraced by candidates in the primaries of one of the parties (but not the other). And there can be many such issues causing a divergence. And empirical data nicely shown in another question here actually points to a divergence rather than converges of the two main parties on ideology. The graph in the question linked is only about Congress, but there's separate data that that divergence really comes from the public divergence (i.e. it's not just some fight between two small cliques of politicians):



        enter image description here



        So you can't get a "uniparty" from that trend... unless the elections get subverted somehow.



        The importance of the primaries in the US for the good functioning of the democracy as really representative is emphasized by the laws that provide public funding for primaries, etc., in order to prevent them from being a closed club.






        share|improve this answer















        I actually upvoted K Dog's answer because "uniparty" is probably the hypothesis being advanced by the question (which itself is rather vague). But it's also easy to see why doesn't really work that way: primaries. It's easy for a party to change is position over time when its candidates are elected too, and that happens in the primaries. Just look how the Republican part of the "uniparty" got turned toward a new discourse by the Trump takeover. Not long before that was the Tea Party etc.



        The "uniparty" only lasts as long as there's not a strong enough grassroots base for some divergent idea to be embraced by candidates in the primaries of one of the parties (but not the other). And there can be many such issues causing a divergence. And empirical data nicely shown in another question here actually points to a divergence rather than converges of the two main parties on ideology. The graph in the question linked is only about Congress, but there's separate data that that divergence really comes from the public divergence (i.e. it's not just some fight between two small cliques of politicians):



        enter image description here



        So you can't get a "uniparty" from that trend... unless the elections get subverted somehow.



        The importance of the primaries in the US for the good functioning of the democracy as really representative is emphasized by the laws that provide public funding for primaries, etc., in order to prevent them from being a closed club.







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        Fizz

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          This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
          – K Dog
          2 days ago











        • @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
          – Fizz
          2 days ago











        • I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
          – SJuan76
          2 days ago







        • 1




          Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago












        • 1




          This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
          – K Dog
          2 days ago











        • @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
          – Fizz
          2 days ago











        • I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
          – SJuan76
          2 days ago







        • 1




          Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago







        1




        1




        This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
        – K Dog
        2 days ago





        This is ranking values, not outcomes. Both parties say things to appeal to their bases, and vote differently. But the truth is there were only 3 fairly conservative GOP presidents during the whole of the 20th century, and the trend for more government no matter the need is the indisputable trend.
        – K Dog
        2 days ago













        @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
        – Fizz
        2 days ago





        @KDog: I see that the "uniparty" argument is (now) basically that both parties are for "big government". That's quite a bit narrower... but I suspect also false except for those who want a radically smaller government, which might be too few in numbers. Either that or what Putin said is correct :-0
        – Fizz
        2 days ago













        I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
        – SJuan76
        2 days ago





        I think that it is the best answer. The lack of proportionality (first past the post) makes it easier to move the political discussion from the election proper to the primaries. Ideological currents that in a proportional system would be its own party have it easier chosing the closer party and winning it over. Otherwise, the spoiler effect would benefit the party that is most ideologically opposed. Examples would be the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
        – SJuan76
        2 days ago





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        Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
        – gerrit
        13 hours ago




        Parties may vote differently on some issues, but many many other issues are so far outside of the uniparty consensus that they're never voted upon in the first place.
        – gerrit
        13 hours ago










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        In the US, the two parties comparative to most of Europe are not ideologically far apart. First-past-the-post elections tend to concentrate on winning the "independent" voter which has a tempering impact on ideological shift. What you are referring to has a name; it's called the uniparty that is generally benefits from Pax Americana and is globalist, free-trade, open-borders, and definitely pro-spending. Here's a snippet on the uniparty.




        The Republican Party’s leaders have functioned as junior members of America’s single ruling party, the UniParty. Acting as the proverbial cockboat in the wake of the Democrats’ man-of-war, they have made Democratic priorities their own when the White House and the Congress were in the hands of Republicans as well as in those of Democrats, and when control has been mixed. The UniParty, the party of government, the party of Ins, continues to consist of the same people. The Outs are always the same people too: American conservatives. They don’t have a party.



        Whatever differences exist within the Uniparty, between Republican John Boehner and Democrat Nancy Pelosi, between Republican Mitch McConnell and Democrat Harry Reid, get worked out behind closed doors. Those differences are narrow. The latest negotiations were over some $80 billion out of three trillion dollars in spending. The bipartisan negotiators did not let into the room any of the major issues that concern Americans. Not Obamacare, not racial preferences, not religious liberty, not endless no-win wars. The UniParty is unanimous: more of the same!




        Here's some more from Politico




        “The Uniparty” is the latest populist buzzword to seize the imagination of the drain-the-swamp crowd, those who see grand conspiracies in the machinations of the “deep state” and globalist-corporate forces. It has a crisp clarity, instantly conveying the idea of an establishment cabal, Democrat and Republican alike, arrayed against their outsider hero, Donald Trump.



        But while “the Uniparty” may be trendy among the Breitbart set, it wasn’t born there. In fact, if you go back to the contentious presidential race of 2000, you’ll find it arose as a political barb among supporters of Ralph Nader, running as the nominee of the Green Party.



        Numerous posts on the Usenet newsgroup alt.politics.green from that year railed against “the two-headed UniParty,” “the money-driven media/political uniparty environment,” “the corporate Uniparty grip on the civic polity,” and so forth.




        This article also is really good






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          American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago














        up vote
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        In the US, the two parties comparative to most of Europe are not ideologically far apart. First-past-the-post elections tend to concentrate on winning the "independent" voter which has a tempering impact on ideological shift. What you are referring to has a name; it's called the uniparty that is generally benefits from Pax Americana and is globalist, free-trade, open-borders, and definitely pro-spending. Here's a snippet on the uniparty.




        The Republican Party’s leaders have functioned as junior members of America’s single ruling party, the UniParty. Acting as the proverbial cockboat in the wake of the Democrats’ man-of-war, they have made Democratic priorities their own when the White House and the Congress were in the hands of Republicans as well as in those of Democrats, and when control has been mixed. The UniParty, the party of government, the party of Ins, continues to consist of the same people. The Outs are always the same people too: American conservatives. They don’t have a party.



        Whatever differences exist within the Uniparty, between Republican John Boehner and Democrat Nancy Pelosi, between Republican Mitch McConnell and Democrat Harry Reid, get worked out behind closed doors. Those differences are narrow. The latest negotiations were over some $80 billion out of three trillion dollars in spending. The bipartisan negotiators did not let into the room any of the major issues that concern Americans. Not Obamacare, not racial preferences, not religious liberty, not endless no-win wars. The UniParty is unanimous: more of the same!




        Here's some more from Politico




        “The Uniparty” is the latest populist buzzword to seize the imagination of the drain-the-swamp crowd, those who see grand conspiracies in the machinations of the “deep state” and globalist-corporate forces. It has a crisp clarity, instantly conveying the idea of an establishment cabal, Democrat and Republican alike, arrayed against their outsider hero, Donald Trump.



        But while “the Uniparty” may be trendy among the Breitbart set, it wasn’t born there. In fact, if you go back to the contentious presidential race of 2000, you’ll find it arose as a political barb among supporters of Ralph Nader, running as the nominee of the Green Party.



        Numerous posts on the Usenet newsgroup alt.politics.green from that year railed against “the two-headed UniParty,” “the money-driven media/political uniparty environment,” “the corporate Uniparty grip on the civic polity,” and so forth.




        This article also is really good






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          American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago












        up vote
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        up vote
        12
        down vote









        In the US, the two parties comparative to most of Europe are not ideologically far apart. First-past-the-post elections tend to concentrate on winning the "independent" voter which has a tempering impact on ideological shift. What you are referring to has a name; it's called the uniparty that is generally benefits from Pax Americana and is globalist, free-trade, open-borders, and definitely pro-spending. Here's a snippet on the uniparty.




        The Republican Party’s leaders have functioned as junior members of America’s single ruling party, the UniParty. Acting as the proverbial cockboat in the wake of the Democrats’ man-of-war, they have made Democratic priorities their own when the White House and the Congress were in the hands of Republicans as well as in those of Democrats, and when control has been mixed. The UniParty, the party of government, the party of Ins, continues to consist of the same people. The Outs are always the same people too: American conservatives. They don’t have a party.



        Whatever differences exist within the Uniparty, between Republican John Boehner and Democrat Nancy Pelosi, between Republican Mitch McConnell and Democrat Harry Reid, get worked out behind closed doors. Those differences are narrow. The latest negotiations were over some $80 billion out of three trillion dollars in spending. The bipartisan negotiators did not let into the room any of the major issues that concern Americans. Not Obamacare, not racial preferences, not religious liberty, not endless no-win wars. The UniParty is unanimous: more of the same!




        Here's some more from Politico




        “The Uniparty” is the latest populist buzzword to seize the imagination of the drain-the-swamp crowd, those who see grand conspiracies in the machinations of the “deep state” and globalist-corporate forces. It has a crisp clarity, instantly conveying the idea of an establishment cabal, Democrat and Republican alike, arrayed against their outsider hero, Donald Trump.



        But while “the Uniparty” may be trendy among the Breitbart set, it wasn’t born there. In fact, if you go back to the contentious presidential race of 2000, you’ll find it arose as a political barb among supporters of Ralph Nader, running as the nominee of the Green Party.



        Numerous posts on the Usenet newsgroup alt.politics.green from that year railed against “the two-headed UniParty,” “the money-driven media/political uniparty environment,” “the corporate Uniparty grip on the civic polity,” and so forth.




        This article also is really good






        share|improve this answer















        In the US, the two parties comparative to most of Europe are not ideologically far apart. First-past-the-post elections tend to concentrate on winning the "independent" voter which has a tempering impact on ideological shift. What you are referring to has a name; it's called the uniparty that is generally benefits from Pax Americana and is globalist, free-trade, open-borders, and definitely pro-spending. Here's a snippet on the uniparty.




        The Republican Party’s leaders have functioned as junior members of America’s single ruling party, the UniParty. Acting as the proverbial cockboat in the wake of the Democrats’ man-of-war, they have made Democratic priorities their own when the White House and the Congress were in the hands of Republicans as well as in those of Democrats, and when control has been mixed. The UniParty, the party of government, the party of Ins, continues to consist of the same people. The Outs are always the same people too: American conservatives. They don’t have a party.



        Whatever differences exist within the Uniparty, between Republican John Boehner and Democrat Nancy Pelosi, between Republican Mitch McConnell and Democrat Harry Reid, get worked out behind closed doors. Those differences are narrow. The latest negotiations were over some $80 billion out of three trillion dollars in spending. The bipartisan negotiators did not let into the room any of the major issues that concern Americans. Not Obamacare, not racial preferences, not religious liberty, not endless no-win wars. The UniParty is unanimous: more of the same!




        Here's some more from Politico




        “The Uniparty” is the latest populist buzzword to seize the imagination of the drain-the-swamp crowd, those who see grand conspiracies in the machinations of the “deep state” and globalist-corporate forces. It has a crisp clarity, instantly conveying the idea of an establishment cabal, Democrat and Republican alike, arrayed against their outsider hero, Donald Trump.



        But while “the Uniparty” may be trendy among the Breitbart set, it wasn’t born there. In fact, if you go back to the contentious presidential race of 2000, you’ll find it arose as a political barb among supporters of Ralph Nader, running as the nominee of the Green Party.



        Numerous posts on the Usenet newsgroup alt.politics.green from that year railed against “the two-headed UniParty,” “the money-driven media/political uniparty environment,” “the corporate Uniparty grip on the civic polity,” and so forth.




        This article also is really good







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        K Dog

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          American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago












        • 2




          American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
          – gerrit
          13 hours ago







        2




        2




        American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
        – gerrit
        13 hours ago




        American conservatives. They don’t have a party. Nor do social-democrats or socialists.
        – gerrit
        13 hours ago










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        This is so-called two steps forward, one step back approach in controlling population



        You create two at first glance bitterly opposed parties that seemingly oppose each other on number of important issues. One party comes to power and impose some unpopular law or issue. Other party rides on wave of popular indignation with the measure, but when finally after elections comes to power does little or nothing to change situation. Instead, it repeats the cycle with some other unpopular act, and cycle repeats itself.



        Other parties and other issues (which could be very important, but two major parties agree on them) are ignored by mass media, so voters do not know about them .



        Examples from real life :
        Most Americans started opposing Iraq war in 2005. War was Republican endeavor, and led to rise of Democrats and Obama who portrayed themselves as doves. But when Democrats took power, they actually increased US military involment around the world, especially in Middle East (Libya, Syria etc ...)



        Most Americans opposed homosexual marriage in 2009. It was Democrats measure to push it on whole country, with lot of Republicans bitterly opposing it. But when Republicans finally took power in 2017 they declared that "homosexual marriage is law of the land" and did nothing to overturn this decision.



        Large number of Americans oppose abortion, especially late-term abortion . In fact anti-abortionist are becoming majority lately. Republicans often campaign on this issue, and often enact some minor laws on state level that more usually then not get overturned by Federal judges. Yet, despite obvious problem (Roe v. Wade) , Republicans never muster an effort to define unborn children as humans (let's say from seventh week of pregnancy) , therefore giving them legal protection from killing.



        As we could see from this example, both Republicans and Democrats act like different cycles of same engine that pushes US in direction not necessarily in interest of its population, and their largely ceremonial confrontation sucks the oxygen from other political movements.






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        • Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
          – leftaroundabout
          10 hours ago











        • Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
          – Gramatik
          4 hours ago















        up vote
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        This is so-called two steps forward, one step back approach in controlling population



        You create two at first glance bitterly opposed parties that seemingly oppose each other on number of important issues. One party comes to power and impose some unpopular law or issue. Other party rides on wave of popular indignation with the measure, but when finally after elections comes to power does little or nothing to change situation. Instead, it repeats the cycle with some other unpopular act, and cycle repeats itself.



        Other parties and other issues (which could be very important, but two major parties agree on them) are ignored by mass media, so voters do not know about them .



        Examples from real life :
        Most Americans started opposing Iraq war in 2005. War was Republican endeavor, and led to rise of Democrats and Obama who portrayed themselves as doves. But when Democrats took power, they actually increased US military involment around the world, especially in Middle East (Libya, Syria etc ...)



        Most Americans opposed homosexual marriage in 2009. It was Democrats measure to push it on whole country, with lot of Republicans bitterly opposing it. But when Republicans finally took power in 2017 they declared that "homosexual marriage is law of the land" and did nothing to overturn this decision.



        Large number of Americans oppose abortion, especially late-term abortion . In fact anti-abortionist are becoming majority lately. Republicans often campaign on this issue, and often enact some minor laws on state level that more usually then not get overturned by Federal judges. Yet, despite obvious problem (Roe v. Wade) , Republicans never muster an effort to define unborn children as humans (let's say from seventh week of pregnancy) , therefore giving them legal protection from killing.



        As we could see from this example, both Republicans and Democrats act like different cycles of same engine that pushes US in direction not necessarily in interest of its population, and their largely ceremonial confrontation sucks the oxygen from other political movements.






        share|improve this answer























        • Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
          – leftaroundabout
          10 hours ago











        • Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
          – Gramatik
          4 hours ago













        up vote
        9
        down vote










        up vote
        9
        down vote









        This is so-called two steps forward, one step back approach in controlling population



        You create two at first glance bitterly opposed parties that seemingly oppose each other on number of important issues. One party comes to power and impose some unpopular law or issue. Other party rides on wave of popular indignation with the measure, but when finally after elections comes to power does little or nothing to change situation. Instead, it repeats the cycle with some other unpopular act, and cycle repeats itself.



        Other parties and other issues (which could be very important, but two major parties agree on them) are ignored by mass media, so voters do not know about them .



        Examples from real life :
        Most Americans started opposing Iraq war in 2005. War was Republican endeavor, and led to rise of Democrats and Obama who portrayed themselves as doves. But when Democrats took power, they actually increased US military involment around the world, especially in Middle East (Libya, Syria etc ...)



        Most Americans opposed homosexual marriage in 2009. It was Democrats measure to push it on whole country, with lot of Republicans bitterly opposing it. But when Republicans finally took power in 2017 they declared that "homosexual marriage is law of the land" and did nothing to overturn this decision.



        Large number of Americans oppose abortion, especially late-term abortion . In fact anti-abortionist are becoming majority lately. Republicans often campaign on this issue, and often enact some minor laws on state level that more usually then not get overturned by Federal judges. Yet, despite obvious problem (Roe v. Wade) , Republicans never muster an effort to define unborn children as humans (let's say from seventh week of pregnancy) , therefore giving them legal protection from killing.



        As we could see from this example, both Republicans and Democrats act like different cycles of same engine that pushes US in direction not necessarily in interest of its population, and their largely ceremonial confrontation sucks the oxygen from other political movements.






        share|improve this answer















        This is so-called two steps forward, one step back approach in controlling population



        You create two at first glance bitterly opposed parties that seemingly oppose each other on number of important issues. One party comes to power and impose some unpopular law or issue. Other party rides on wave of popular indignation with the measure, but when finally after elections comes to power does little or nothing to change situation. Instead, it repeats the cycle with some other unpopular act, and cycle repeats itself.



        Other parties and other issues (which could be very important, but two major parties agree on them) are ignored by mass media, so voters do not know about them .



        Examples from real life :
        Most Americans started opposing Iraq war in 2005. War was Republican endeavor, and led to rise of Democrats and Obama who portrayed themselves as doves. But when Democrats took power, they actually increased US military involment around the world, especially in Middle East (Libya, Syria etc ...)



        Most Americans opposed homosexual marriage in 2009. It was Democrats measure to push it on whole country, with lot of Republicans bitterly opposing it. But when Republicans finally took power in 2017 they declared that "homosexual marriage is law of the land" and did nothing to overturn this decision.



        Large number of Americans oppose abortion, especially late-term abortion . In fact anti-abortionist are becoming majority lately. Republicans often campaign on this issue, and often enact some minor laws on state level that more usually then not get overturned by Federal judges. Yet, despite obvious problem (Roe v. Wade) , Republicans never muster an effort to define unborn children as humans (let's say from seventh week of pregnancy) , therefore giving them legal protection from killing.



        As we could see from this example, both Republicans and Democrats act like different cycles of same engine that pushes US in direction not necessarily in interest of its population, and their largely ceremonial confrontation sucks the oxygen from other political movements.







        share|improve this answer















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        • Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
          – leftaroundabout
          10 hours ago











        • Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
          – Gramatik
          4 hours ago

















        • Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
          – leftaroundabout
          10 hours ago











        • Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
          – Gramatik
          4 hours ago
















        Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
        – leftaroundabout
        10 hours ago





        Without saying the US two-party system doesn't have big problems: your examples don't really make a lot of sense. One could equally well argue that these demonstrate how even a two-party democracy can achieve progress that couldn't happen in a populist dictatorship, namely in that it allows minorities to get their word through if they are expertly informed or disproportionally affected by some decision. While at the same time, no particular minority has single-handed power over the majority.
        – leftaroundabout
        10 hours ago













        Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
        – Gramatik
        4 hours ago





        Your second two examples are things that politicians (legislative, executive branches) can't affect in the way you think they can - those are both precedents set by supreme court rulings, which require another case to reach the supreme court to overturn the ruling, which is something the supreme court doesn't like to do
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        Walter Karp argued that US political parties form a virtual bipartisan oligarchy which colludes together for the primary purposes of mutual self-preservation and maintaining organizational power in his 1973 Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America.






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        Walter Karp argued that US political parties form a virtual bipartisan oligarchy which colludes together for the primary purposes of mutual self-preservation and maintaining organizational power in his 1973 Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America.






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        • The summary is rather weak. Have a copy, but haven't yet more than skimmed it...
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        Walter Karp argued that US political parties form a virtual bipartisan oligarchy which colludes together for the primary purposes of mutual self-preservation and maintaining organizational power in his 1973 Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America.






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        Walter Karp argued that US political parties form a virtual bipartisan oligarchy which colludes together for the primary purposes of mutual self-preservation and maintaining organizational power in his 1973 Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America.







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        • The summary is rather weak. Have a copy, but haven't yet more than skimmed it...
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        • The summary is rather weak. Have a copy, but haven't yet more than skimmed it...
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        The summary is rather weak. Have a copy, but haven't yet more than skimmed it...
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        The summary is rather weak. Have a copy, but haven't yet more than skimmed it...
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        let's turn the question around and assume that we already have such a situation where both parties have (at least de-facto) merged into a single Party. Then because the public opinion on many issues tends to have a 50-50 split due to social dynamics, this will cause tensions within the Party. Many issues will have a typical conservative or liberal points of view, so there will be strong correlations between Party members and their views; typically two party members will agree with each other on most issues or they will disagree with each other on most issues. This will then ultimately cause the Party to break-up into a liberal faction and a conservative faction.



        This instability of a single Party state will then prevent two dominant parties from merging into a single Party.






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          The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
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          Aug 3 at 20:30






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          You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
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        let's turn the question around and assume that we already have such a situation where both parties have (at least de-facto) merged into a single Party. Then because the public opinion on many issues tends to have a 50-50 split due to social dynamics, this will cause tensions within the Party. Many issues will have a typical conservative or liberal points of view, so there will be strong correlations between Party members and their views; typically two party members will agree with each other on most issues or they will disagree with each other on most issues. This will then ultimately cause the Party to break-up into a liberal faction and a conservative faction.



        This instability of a single Party state will then prevent two dominant parties from merging into a single Party.






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          The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
          – ohwilleke
          Aug 3 at 20:30






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          You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
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        let's turn the question around and assume that we already have such a situation where both parties have (at least de-facto) merged into a single Party. Then because the public opinion on many issues tends to have a 50-50 split due to social dynamics, this will cause tensions within the Party. Many issues will have a typical conservative or liberal points of view, so there will be strong correlations between Party members and their views; typically two party members will agree with each other on most issues or they will disagree with each other on most issues. This will then ultimately cause the Party to break-up into a liberal faction and a conservative faction.



        This instability of a single Party state will then prevent two dominant parties from merging into a single Party.






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        let's turn the question around and assume that we already have such a situation where both parties have (at least de-facto) merged into a single Party. Then because the public opinion on many issues tends to have a 50-50 split due to social dynamics, this will cause tensions within the Party. Many issues will have a typical conservative or liberal points of view, so there will be strong correlations between Party members and their views; typically two party members will agree with each other on most issues or they will disagree with each other on most issues. This will then ultimately cause the Party to break-up into a liberal faction and a conservative faction.



        This instability of a single Party state will then prevent two dominant parties from merging into a single Party.







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          The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
          – ohwilleke
          Aug 3 at 20:30






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          You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
          – Mark
          Aug 3 at 23:05












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          The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
          – ohwilleke
          Aug 3 at 20:30






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          You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
          – Mark
          Aug 3 at 23:05







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        The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
        – ohwilleke
        Aug 3 at 20:30




        The 50-50 split isn't due to social dynamics, it is due to political incentives. Parties need to be part of a majority coalition to get policy enacted, but the bigger your tent, the more diluted your ability to advocate for strong policies that favor those in the tent relative to those outside it becomes. The only difference between multi-party systems with proportional representation and a two party system in this regard, is that the former makes their coalition temporary for the election or after the election, while in the U.S. the coalitions are formed before the election begins.
        – ohwilleke
        Aug 3 at 20:30




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        You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
        – Mark
        Aug 3 at 23:05




        You can see an example of this merge and subsequent split in the early US. The Federalists collapsed as a viable party, resulting in an effective merger with the Democratic-Republicans. Shortly thereafter, the Democratic-Republicans split into the Jacksonian and Anti-Jacksonian factions.
        – Mark
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        They did when they had a common external enemy, and the world was better for it.



        The United States fought the fascists during World War II (1941-1945), and the Soviet Union during the Cold War (1945-1991). During this period, the country faced a common external enemy, and Democrats and Republicans cooperated to unprecedented levels. Among the accomplishments:



        • Willingness from both political parties to engage in foreign affairs, form alliances, and negotiate treaties and trade pacts.

        • Serving as a political and economic superpower.

        • Actively participate in the United Nations and NATO.

        • Aiding other countries through the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, which helped the reconstruction of much of Europe and Japan after WWII.

        • Development of the Interstate Highway system.

        • Funding (or in some cases, directly pursuing) scientific research through the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, Department of Energy, and DARPA.

        • Through DARPA, funding the initial development of the Internet that you are now using.

        • Providing funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education.

        • Providing stable government institutions. As much as Reagan talked about cutting government, in practice most agencies grew during his tenure.

        • Enthusiastically operating a space program -- and most notably -- putting men on the moon.

        After the fall of the Soviet Union, the enemy became each other. Democrats and Republicans turned on each other, in increasing rounds of tit-for-tat. Indeed, during the last 25 years we have seen the following:



        • Paranoia that the United Nations is a world government which is controlling American politics.

        • Using foreign countries as a scapegoat for job losses.

        • Isolationism.

        • Withdrawal from NATO, NAFTA, TPP, and other alliances and trade pacts.

        • The loss of international respect and influence of the United States.

        • Cutting foreign aid (particularly for "s---hole countries").

        • Deteriorating infrastructure (e.g. collapsed roads and bridges, contaminated public water supplies). Refusing to repair or replace it because of a fear of taxes and government spending.

        • Cutting scientific funding (e.g. Superconducting Supercollider).

        • Mocking science as an "opinion" (e.g. evolution, climate change, endangered species).

        • Refusing to regulate the monopolies that control much of the Internet.

        • Cutting funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education (mostly by state governments).

        • Turning education over to for-profit corporations.

        • Mocking (e.g. "Deep State"), defunding, and harassing government institutions.

        • Allowing the space program to wither to the point where we use Russian rockets to send astronauts into space.





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          Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
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          Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
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        They did when they had a common external enemy, and the world was better for it.



        The United States fought the fascists during World War II (1941-1945), and the Soviet Union during the Cold War (1945-1991). During this period, the country faced a common external enemy, and Democrats and Republicans cooperated to unprecedented levels. Among the accomplishments:



        • Willingness from both political parties to engage in foreign affairs, form alliances, and negotiate treaties and trade pacts.

        • Serving as a political and economic superpower.

        • Actively participate in the United Nations and NATO.

        • Aiding other countries through the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, which helped the reconstruction of much of Europe and Japan after WWII.

        • Development of the Interstate Highway system.

        • Funding (or in some cases, directly pursuing) scientific research through the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, Department of Energy, and DARPA.

        • Through DARPA, funding the initial development of the Internet that you are now using.

        • Providing funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education.

        • Providing stable government institutions. As much as Reagan talked about cutting government, in practice most agencies grew during his tenure.

        • Enthusiastically operating a space program -- and most notably -- putting men on the moon.

        After the fall of the Soviet Union, the enemy became each other. Democrats and Republicans turned on each other, in increasing rounds of tit-for-tat. Indeed, during the last 25 years we have seen the following:



        • Paranoia that the United Nations is a world government which is controlling American politics.

        • Using foreign countries as a scapegoat for job losses.

        • Isolationism.

        • Withdrawal from NATO, NAFTA, TPP, and other alliances and trade pacts.

        • The loss of international respect and influence of the United States.

        • Cutting foreign aid (particularly for "s---hole countries").

        • Deteriorating infrastructure (e.g. collapsed roads and bridges, contaminated public water supplies). Refusing to repair or replace it because of a fear of taxes and government spending.

        • Cutting scientific funding (e.g. Superconducting Supercollider).

        • Mocking science as an "opinion" (e.g. evolution, climate change, endangered species).

        • Refusing to regulate the monopolies that control much of the Internet.

        • Cutting funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education (mostly by state governments).

        • Turning education over to for-profit corporations.

        • Mocking (e.g. "Deep State"), defunding, and harassing government institutions.

        • Allowing the space program to wither to the point where we use Russian rockets to send astronauts into space.





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          Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
          – CJ Dennis
          yesterday






        • 1




          Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
          – CramerTV
          4 hours ago












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        They did when they had a common external enemy, and the world was better for it.



        The United States fought the fascists during World War II (1941-1945), and the Soviet Union during the Cold War (1945-1991). During this period, the country faced a common external enemy, and Democrats and Republicans cooperated to unprecedented levels. Among the accomplishments:



        • Willingness from both political parties to engage in foreign affairs, form alliances, and negotiate treaties and trade pacts.

        • Serving as a political and economic superpower.

        • Actively participate in the United Nations and NATO.

        • Aiding other countries through the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, which helped the reconstruction of much of Europe and Japan after WWII.

        • Development of the Interstate Highway system.

        • Funding (or in some cases, directly pursuing) scientific research through the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, Department of Energy, and DARPA.

        • Through DARPA, funding the initial development of the Internet that you are now using.

        • Providing funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education.

        • Providing stable government institutions. As much as Reagan talked about cutting government, in practice most agencies grew during his tenure.

        • Enthusiastically operating a space program -- and most notably -- putting men on the moon.

        After the fall of the Soviet Union, the enemy became each other. Democrats and Republicans turned on each other, in increasing rounds of tit-for-tat. Indeed, during the last 25 years we have seen the following:



        • Paranoia that the United Nations is a world government which is controlling American politics.

        • Using foreign countries as a scapegoat for job losses.

        • Isolationism.

        • Withdrawal from NATO, NAFTA, TPP, and other alliances and trade pacts.

        • The loss of international respect and influence of the United States.

        • Cutting foreign aid (particularly for "s---hole countries").

        • Deteriorating infrastructure (e.g. collapsed roads and bridges, contaminated public water supplies). Refusing to repair or replace it because of a fear of taxes and government spending.

        • Cutting scientific funding (e.g. Superconducting Supercollider).

        • Mocking science as an "opinion" (e.g. evolution, climate change, endangered species).

        • Refusing to regulate the monopolies that control much of the Internet.

        • Cutting funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education (mostly by state governments).

        • Turning education over to for-profit corporations.

        • Mocking (e.g. "Deep State"), defunding, and harassing government institutions.

        • Allowing the space program to wither to the point where we use Russian rockets to send astronauts into space.





        share|improve this answer













        They did when they had a common external enemy, and the world was better for it.



        The United States fought the fascists during World War II (1941-1945), and the Soviet Union during the Cold War (1945-1991). During this period, the country faced a common external enemy, and Democrats and Republicans cooperated to unprecedented levels. Among the accomplishments:



        • Willingness from both political parties to engage in foreign affairs, form alliances, and negotiate treaties and trade pacts.

        • Serving as a political and economic superpower.

        • Actively participate in the United Nations and NATO.

        • Aiding other countries through the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, which helped the reconstruction of much of Europe and Japan after WWII.

        • Development of the Interstate Highway system.

        • Funding (or in some cases, directly pursuing) scientific research through the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, Department of Energy, and DARPA.

        • Through DARPA, funding the initial development of the Internet that you are now using.

        • Providing funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education.

        • Providing stable government institutions. As much as Reagan talked about cutting government, in practice most agencies grew during his tenure.

        • Enthusiastically operating a space program -- and most notably -- putting men on the moon.

        After the fall of the Soviet Union, the enemy became each other. Democrats and Republicans turned on each other, in increasing rounds of tit-for-tat. Indeed, during the last 25 years we have seen the following:



        • Paranoia that the United Nations is a world government which is controlling American politics.

        • Using foreign countries as a scapegoat for job losses.

        • Isolationism.

        • Withdrawal from NATO, NAFTA, TPP, and other alliances and trade pacts.

        • The loss of international respect and influence of the United States.

        • Cutting foreign aid (particularly for "s---hole countries").

        • Deteriorating infrastructure (e.g. collapsed roads and bridges, contaminated public water supplies). Refusing to repair or replace it because of a fear of taxes and government spending.

        • Cutting scientific funding (e.g. Superconducting Supercollider).

        • Mocking science as an "opinion" (e.g. evolution, climate change, endangered species).

        • Refusing to regulate the monopolies that control much of the Internet.

        • Cutting funding for public elementary, secondary, and higher education (mostly by state governments).

        • Turning education over to for-profit corporations.

        • Mocking (e.g. "Deep State"), defunding, and harassing government institutions.

        • Allowing the space program to wither to the point where we use Russian rockets to send astronauts into space.






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          Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
          – CJ Dennis
          yesterday






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          Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
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          Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
          – CJ Dennis
          yesterday






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          Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
          – CramerTV
          4 hours ago







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        Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
        – CJ Dennis
        yesterday




        Since the question mentions "any two party system" (which I take to mean countries other than the US), you could expand your answer to include Britain during World War II as well, which saw unprecedented levels of bipartisan cooperation due to the Nazi threat.
        – CJ Dennis
        yesterday




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        Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
        – CramerTV
        4 hours ago




        Cooperation is not collusion: Collusion - secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
        – CramerTV
        4 hours ago










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        The mathematical steady-state for any voting system is a number of parties roughly inversely proportional to the amount of the vote it takes to get elected. In a national plurality system, that works out to 1 / 0.50, or 2. This is known as Duveger's Law.



        Historically you can see this. There have been multiple times in US history there were more or less than 2 major parties, but it always ended up stabilizing after an election cycle or two back to 2 parties.



        What you are asking about is a situation where there effectively becomes only one party. This actually happened in the mid 1810's when the Federalist Party collapsed, and the early 1850's when the Whigs did likewise. What has always happened is that a new second party naturally forms (actually, usually several, but the strongest 2 parties in the system end up surviving).



        My favorite way of explaining the US system to those used to Parliamentary Democracy, is to think of US parties as coalitions, not parliamentary parties. Looking at it that way, the coalitions are formed before the elections (via party alignment), and then the voters get to choose which of the two is the ruling coalition, and which is in opposition.






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        • In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
          – David Hammen
          7 hours ago










        • @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
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        The mathematical steady-state for any voting system is a number of parties roughly inversely proportional to the amount of the vote it takes to get elected. In a national plurality system, that works out to 1 / 0.50, or 2. This is known as Duveger's Law.



        Historically you can see this. There have been multiple times in US history there were more or less than 2 major parties, but it always ended up stabilizing after an election cycle or two back to 2 parties.



        What you are asking about is a situation where there effectively becomes only one party. This actually happened in the mid 1810's when the Federalist Party collapsed, and the early 1850's when the Whigs did likewise. What has always happened is that a new second party naturally forms (actually, usually several, but the strongest 2 parties in the system end up surviving).



        My favorite way of explaining the US system to those used to Parliamentary Democracy, is to think of US parties as coalitions, not parliamentary parties. Looking at it that way, the coalitions are formed before the elections (via party alignment), and then the voters get to choose which of the two is the ruling coalition, and which is in opposition.






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        • In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
          – David Hammen
          7 hours ago










        • @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
          – T.E.D.
          2 hours ago













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        The mathematical steady-state for any voting system is a number of parties roughly inversely proportional to the amount of the vote it takes to get elected. In a national plurality system, that works out to 1 / 0.50, or 2. This is known as Duveger's Law.



        Historically you can see this. There have been multiple times in US history there were more or less than 2 major parties, but it always ended up stabilizing after an election cycle or two back to 2 parties.



        What you are asking about is a situation where there effectively becomes only one party. This actually happened in the mid 1810's when the Federalist Party collapsed, and the early 1850's when the Whigs did likewise. What has always happened is that a new second party naturally forms (actually, usually several, but the strongest 2 parties in the system end up surviving).



        My favorite way of explaining the US system to those used to Parliamentary Democracy, is to think of US parties as coalitions, not parliamentary parties. Looking at it that way, the coalitions are formed before the elections (via party alignment), and then the voters get to choose which of the two is the ruling coalition, and which is in opposition.






        share|improve this answer















        The mathematical steady-state for any voting system is a number of parties roughly inversely proportional to the amount of the vote it takes to get elected. In a national plurality system, that works out to 1 / 0.50, or 2. This is known as Duveger's Law.



        Historically you can see this. There have been multiple times in US history there were more or less than 2 major parties, but it always ended up stabilizing after an election cycle or two back to 2 parties.



        What you are asking about is a situation where there effectively becomes only one party. This actually happened in the mid 1810's when the Federalist Party collapsed, and the early 1850's when the Whigs did likewise. What has always happened is that a new second party naturally forms (actually, usually several, but the strongest 2 parties in the system end up surviving).



        My favorite way of explaining the US system to those used to Parliamentary Democracy, is to think of US parties as coalitions, not parliamentary parties. Looking at it that way, the coalitions are formed before the elections (via party alignment), and then the voters get to choose which of the two is the ruling coalition, and which is in opposition.







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        • In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
          – David Hammen
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        • @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
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        • In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
          – David Hammen
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        • @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
          – T.E.D.
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        In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
        – David Hammen
        7 hours ago




        In short, why should the Democrats and Republicans bother to collude to consolidate their collective hold on the country when the framers of the constitution unintentionally did so over 230 years ago?
        – David Hammen
        7 hours ago












        @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
        – T.E.D.
        2 hours ago





        @DavidHammen - I'd disagree that they have a "hold". The long-term trend of party identification for both major parties has been downward, with a particularly sharp dip downward recently for the Republicans. If that continues without significant rebound, we'd effectively be in a situation like the 1810's and 1850's where its quite feasible to build a viable plurality party out of independents, with the further long-term result of the weaker of the three dying out.
        – T.E.D.
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        The Democratic and Republican parties colluded to disenfranchise 3rd parties by creating the commission for presidential debates in 1987.



        The Wikipedia page goes into excellent detail on the history of this commission - I'll include several tidbits of information from it:




        In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H. W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the lecterns. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that it was withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."




        Ross Perot ran for President and was able to participate in the debates. He garnered a small but significant amount of votes in 1992.



        In part due to Ross Perot's and Ralph Nader's impact in the 1992 and 1996 elections, the commission (run by Republicans and Democrats) in 2000 changed the rules for who could participate in the debates which, for all practical purposes, eliminated the chances for a 3rd party to get into the debates.




        In 2000, the CPD established a rule that for a candidate to be included in the national debates he or she must garner at least 15% support across five national polls. This rule has been controversial as it has effectively excluded U.S. parties other than the two major parties.




        This rule has successfully been challenged in court due to the 15% being arbitrary.




        In February 2017 the suits by Johnson, Stein et al were reheard and the judge ruled that the Federal Election Commission had not provided sufficient justification for its decision not to engage in rulemaking, and ordered the Commission to either provide a more sufficient justification for its position, or to alter the Commission's rules.




        The Republicans and Democrats colluded to exclude practical challenges to their hold over the political system.






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          The Democratic and Republican parties colluded to disenfranchise 3rd parties by creating the commission for presidential debates in 1987.



          The Wikipedia page goes into excellent detail on the history of this commission - I'll include several tidbits of information from it:




          In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H. W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the lecterns. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that it was withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."




          Ross Perot ran for President and was able to participate in the debates. He garnered a small but significant amount of votes in 1992.



          In part due to Ross Perot's and Ralph Nader's impact in the 1992 and 1996 elections, the commission (run by Republicans and Democrats) in 2000 changed the rules for who could participate in the debates which, for all practical purposes, eliminated the chances for a 3rd party to get into the debates.




          In 2000, the CPD established a rule that for a candidate to be included in the national debates he or she must garner at least 15% support across five national polls. This rule has been controversial as it has effectively excluded U.S. parties other than the two major parties.




          This rule has successfully been challenged in court due to the 15% being arbitrary.




          In February 2017 the suits by Johnson, Stein et al were reheard and the judge ruled that the Federal Election Commission had not provided sufficient justification for its decision not to engage in rulemaking, and ordered the Commission to either provide a more sufficient justification for its position, or to alter the Commission's rules.




          The Republicans and Democrats colluded to exclude practical challenges to their hold over the political system.






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            The Democratic and Republican parties colluded to disenfranchise 3rd parties by creating the commission for presidential debates in 1987.



            The Wikipedia page goes into excellent detail on the history of this commission - I'll include several tidbits of information from it:




            In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H. W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the lecterns. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that it was withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."




            Ross Perot ran for President and was able to participate in the debates. He garnered a small but significant amount of votes in 1992.



            In part due to Ross Perot's and Ralph Nader's impact in the 1992 and 1996 elections, the commission (run by Republicans and Democrats) in 2000 changed the rules for who could participate in the debates which, for all practical purposes, eliminated the chances for a 3rd party to get into the debates.




            In 2000, the CPD established a rule that for a candidate to be included in the national debates he or she must garner at least 15% support across five national polls. This rule has been controversial as it has effectively excluded U.S. parties other than the two major parties.




            This rule has successfully been challenged in court due to the 15% being arbitrary.




            In February 2017 the suits by Johnson, Stein et al were reheard and the judge ruled that the Federal Election Commission had not provided sufficient justification for its decision not to engage in rulemaking, and ordered the Commission to either provide a more sufficient justification for its position, or to alter the Commission's rules.




            The Republicans and Democrats colluded to exclude practical challenges to their hold over the political system.






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            The Democratic and Republican parties colluded to disenfranchise 3rd parties by creating the commission for presidential debates in 1987.



            The Wikipedia page goes into excellent detail on the history of this commission - I'll include several tidbits of information from it:




            In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H. W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the lecterns. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that it was withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."




            Ross Perot ran for President and was able to participate in the debates. He garnered a small but significant amount of votes in 1992.



            In part due to Ross Perot's and Ralph Nader's impact in the 1992 and 1996 elections, the commission (run by Republicans and Democrats) in 2000 changed the rules for who could participate in the debates which, for all practical purposes, eliminated the chances for a 3rd party to get into the debates.




            In 2000, the CPD established a rule that for a candidate to be included in the national debates he or she must garner at least 15% support across five national polls. This rule has been controversial as it has effectively excluded U.S. parties other than the two major parties.




            This rule has successfully been challenged in court due to the 15% being arbitrary.




            In February 2017 the suits by Johnson, Stein et al were reheard and the judge ruled that the Federal Election Commission had not provided sufficient justification for its decision not to engage in rulemaking, and ordered the Commission to either provide a more sufficient justification for its position, or to alter the Commission's rules.




            The Republicans and Democrats colluded to exclude practical challenges to their hold over the political system.







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                There are two possible conspiracies here, and I will address them both:



                First, you could have an open or mostly open collusion. This would take away the illusion of choice from the population and likely lead to a countermovement, which within a short time would set up a third party and gather a considerable amount of votes, enough to upset the balance of power. The reason is that the feeling of control is a core psychological human need. Helplessness is a terrifying feeling (and is, in fact, a core element of any effective terrorism strategy). If you want to prevent a third party demolishing your conspiracy, you need to subvert the election process to the point of abandoning it, which is likely to provoke an even stronger reaction from the people. Such takeovers have been successful a few times in history (Nazi Germany being the most well-known example), but they required extraordinary external circumstances to let the population accept it and not rise up in revolt.



                Second, you can have a hidden collusion which maintains the illusion of choice, but ensures through backroom dealings that on important matters, a consensus is maintained. Conspiracy theorists claim that this is actually the status quo. There definitely is some collusion on matters where incidentally both parties have a shared interest - for example, election reforms are unlikely to pass despite making rational sense because both parties benefit from the system as it is now.



                There is a third alternative that maintains that political parties are a scam anyway and real politics is made elsewhere. There are in fact a lot of real-world incidents were politics were made by the party you would least expect it from (e.g. the decidedly unsocial reform of the unemployment system in Germany by the social-democratic party in the early 2000s), and there are numerous people in second-rank political positions (e.g. directly underneath ministers) who have been in that position during multiple administrations with opposing agendas, during which the ministries politics did not actually change very much, indicating that they depend more on its top-level leadership than the minister heading it.



                So all of that put together leads to the conclusion that the current system benefits more people better and carries less risk of being overthrown than an outright takeover by an open collusion. If the actors in the system act rationally, they will maintain and evolve the current system over any kind of powerplay into the direction of tyranny.



                tl;dr: Because it works






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                  There are two possible conspiracies here, and I will address them both:



                  First, you could have an open or mostly open collusion. This would take away the illusion of choice from the population and likely lead to a countermovement, which within a short time would set up a third party and gather a considerable amount of votes, enough to upset the balance of power. The reason is that the feeling of control is a core psychological human need. Helplessness is a terrifying feeling (and is, in fact, a core element of any effective terrorism strategy). If you want to prevent a third party demolishing your conspiracy, you need to subvert the election process to the point of abandoning it, which is likely to provoke an even stronger reaction from the people. Such takeovers have been successful a few times in history (Nazi Germany being the most well-known example), but they required extraordinary external circumstances to let the population accept it and not rise up in revolt.



                  Second, you can have a hidden collusion which maintains the illusion of choice, but ensures through backroom dealings that on important matters, a consensus is maintained. Conspiracy theorists claim that this is actually the status quo. There definitely is some collusion on matters where incidentally both parties have a shared interest - for example, election reforms are unlikely to pass despite making rational sense because both parties benefit from the system as it is now.



                  There is a third alternative that maintains that political parties are a scam anyway and real politics is made elsewhere. There are in fact a lot of real-world incidents were politics were made by the party you would least expect it from (e.g. the decidedly unsocial reform of the unemployment system in Germany by the social-democratic party in the early 2000s), and there are numerous people in second-rank political positions (e.g. directly underneath ministers) who have been in that position during multiple administrations with opposing agendas, during which the ministries politics did not actually change very much, indicating that they depend more on its top-level leadership than the minister heading it.



                  So all of that put together leads to the conclusion that the current system benefits more people better and carries less risk of being overthrown than an outright takeover by an open collusion. If the actors in the system act rationally, they will maintain and evolve the current system over any kind of powerplay into the direction of tyranny.



                  tl;dr: Because it works






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                    There are two possible conspiracies here, and I will address them both:



                    First, you could have an open or mostly open collusion. This would take away the illusion of choice from the population and likely lead to a countermovement, which within a short time would set up a third party and gather a considerable amount of votes, enough to upset the balance of power. The reason is that the feeling of control is a core psychological human need. Helplessness is a terrifying feeling (and is, in fact, a core element of any effective terrorism strategy). If you want to prevent a third party demolishing your conspiracy, you need to subvert the election process to the point of abandoning it, which is likely to provoke an even stronger reaction from the people. Such takeovers have been successful a few times in history (Nazi Germany being the most well-known example), but they required extraordinary external circumstances to let the population accept it and not rise up in revolt.



                    Second, you can have a hidden collusion which maintains the illusion of choice, but ensures through backroom dealings that on important matters, a consensus is maintained. Conspiracy theorists claim that this is actually the status quo. There definitely is some collusion on matters where incidentally both parties have a shared interest - for example, election reforms are unlikely to pass despite making rational sense because both parties benefit from the system as it is now.



                    There is a third alternative that maintains that political parties are a scam anyway and real politics is made elsewhere. There are in fact a lot of real-world incidents were politics were made by the party you would least expect it from (e.g. the decidedly unsocial reform of the unemployment system in Germany by the social-democratic party in the early 2000s), and there are numerous people in second-rank political positions (e.g. directly underneath ministers) who have been in that position during multiple administrations with opposing agendas, during which the ministries politics did not actually change very much, indicating that they depend more on its top-level leadership than the minister heading it.



                    So all of that put together leads to the conclusion that the current system benefits more people better and carries less risk of being overthrown than an outright takeover by an open collusion. If the actors in the system act rationally, they will maintain and evolve the current system over any kind of powerplay into the direction of tyranny.



                    tl;dr: Because it works






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                    There are two possible conspiracies here, and I will address them both:



                    First, you could have an open or mostly open collusion. This would take away the illusion of choice from the population and likely lead to a countermovement, which within a short time would set up a third party and gather a considerable amount of votes, enough to upset the balance of power. The reason is that the feeling of control is a core psychological human need. Helplessness is a terrifying feeling (and is, in fact, a core element of any effective terrorism strategy). If you want to prevent a third party demolishing your conspiracy, you need to subvert the election process to the point of abandoning it, which is likely to provoke an even stronger reaction from the people. Such takeovers have been successful a few times in history (Nazi Germany being the most well-known example), but they required extraordinary external circumstances to let the population accept it and not rise up in revolt.



                    Second, you can have a hidden collusion which maintains the illusion of choice, but ensures through backroom dealings that on important matters, a consensus is maintained. Conspiracy theorists claim that this is actually the status quo. There definitely is some collusion on matters where incidentally both parties have a shared interest - for example, election reforms are unlikely to pass despite making rational sense because both parties benefit from the system as it is now.



                    There is a third alternative that maintains that political parties are a scam anyway and real politics is made elsewhere. There are in fact a lot of real-world incidents were politics were made by the party you would least expect it from (e.g. the decidedly unsocial reform of the unemployment system in Germany by the social-democratic party in the early 2000s), and there are numerous people in second-rank political positions (e.g. directly underneath ministers) who have been in that position during multiple administrations with opposing agendas, during which the ministries politics did not actually change very much, indicating that they depend more on its top-level leadership than the minister heading it.



                    So all of that put together leads to the conclusion that the current system benefits more people better and carries less risk of being overthrown than an outright takeover by an open collusion. If the actors in the system act rationally, they will maintain and evolve the current system over any kind of powerplay into the direction of tyranny.



                    tl;dr: Because it works







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                        The primary driving force for U.S. members of congress (MoC) is pleasing your constituents and pleasing your donors; with pleasing your party's national convention being a third priority. Despite many of the other answers, an American MoC doesn't vote in an attempt to preserve a uniparty. If a MoC represents a district heavily predicated on sugar, and they receive large donations from the oil lobby, then that MoC's voting record is going to reflect a lot of pro-sugar, pro-oil bent. They might vote nay on anything outside of pro-sugar, pro-oil interests unless they can get a small pro-sugar or pro-oil earmark added to the bill or curry a favor that they can leverage later. There are a lot of MoC who do not have enough spine to vote in a way that would be politically unpopular in their district; i.e. pleasing the district voters is paramount. This is mostly out of self-interest; but anyone who believes in Republican representation respects the importance of representing your constituency's values, tempered with your own greater judgment (you were selected to be the smartest version of your constituency, after all).



                        However, many politicians actually do have ideology, and they got into politics for a reason. Outside of the tactics they use to get elected and stay elected, they still have an ambition to set policy on some economic and/or social issues that they care about. This is the battleground of most congressional votes. Most bills connect with each MoC in some ideological way, either for or against, but fail to connect with the special interests that they are personally subject to. Apart from the MoC's ideology, each bill tends to have some implication to the party platforms, and so all other things being equal, a MoC is likely to vote in according with their party platform. For instance, the DNC's platform favors greater funding for public education, so if a bill came up that appropriated greater funding for public education, it is likely that almost all Democratic MoC would vote in favor of it, excluding possibly 1 or 2 who might not be able to due to their district's special interests.



                        There are very few times or motivations when it mutually benefits both parties to collude to pick election winners. Party polarization actually drives greater campaign donations and richer politicians, so collusion would generally not benefit them on the whole. Moderation would occur either as a tactic to seize moderate voters and win elections, or out of the altruistic recognition that moderate policies are the most tolerable for the greatest amount of the population.



                        There are, however, a small number of policies in which the two parties do benefit from cooperating on. For instance, any radical campaign finance reform would strengthen independent parties, weaken Democrats, and weaken Republicans even more. Also, replacing the first-past-the-post (FPTP) election system with a superior system would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the top two parties. More inclusive public debates would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the two top parties (they would also reduce the public's ability to decide between the Republican and Democratic candidates, which is actually problematic, given that some voters already struggle to pick the better candidate). These are all areas in which the top two parties are unlikely to vote for reform.



                        But anyways, to the original question: why WOULDN'T they collude? The answer is because there is nothing stopping an outsider like me from running in a party primary, trying to get the party nomination, possibly winning it, and then trying to win the general. Even if the RNC offered to concede a loss in Ohio in exchange for a win in Illinois; they can't stop me, a self-interested party, from trying to run and pursue my own interests, which are in direct conflict with their agreement. Another reason is because there is genuine animus between the parties. A third reason is because there are not any real amount of benefits to this collusion -- why compromise when you can attempt to win it all? A fourth reason is the risk of facing charges of election tampering or conspiracy to defraud the public if they are caught. I honestly don't see how a rational mind could see there being more benefits than liabilities to party collusion (at least in America's current political environment. I could definitely see it in a system were several strong parties are all legitimately in-play).






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                          The primary driving force for U.S. members of congress (MoC) is pleasing your constituents and pleasing your donors; with pleasing your party's national convention being a third priority. Despite many of the other answers, an American MoC doesn't vote in an attempt to preserve a uniparty. If a MoC represents a district heavily predicated on sugar, and they receive large donations from the oil lobby, then that MoC's voting record is going to reflect a lot of pro-sugar, pro-oil bent. They might vote nay on anything outside of pro-sugar, pro-oil interests unless they can get a small pro-sugar or pro-oil earmark added to the bill or curry a favor that they can leverage later. There are a lot of MoC who do not have enough spine to vote in a way that would be politically unpopular in their district; i.e. pleasing the district voters is paramount. This is mostly out of self-interest; but anyone who believes in Republican representation respects the importance of representing your constituency's values, tempered with your own greater judgment (you were selected to be the smartest version of your constituency, after all).



                          However, many politicians actually do have ideology, and they got into politics for a reason. Outside of the tactics they use to get elected and stay elected, they still have an ambition to set policy on some economic and/or social issues that they care about. This is the battleground of most congressional votes. Most bills connect with each MoC in some ideological way, either for or against, but fail to connect with the special interests that they are personally subject to. Apart from the MoC's ideology, each bill tends to have some implication to the party platforms, and so all other things being equal, a MoC is likely to vote in according with their party platform. For instance, the DNC's platform favors greater funding for public education, so if a bill came up that appropriated greater funding for public education, it is likely that almost all Democratic MoC would vote in favor of it, excluding possibly 1 or 2 who might not be able to due to their district's special interests.



                          There are very few times or motivations when it mutually benefits both parties to collude to pick election winners. Party polarization actually drives greater campaign donations and richer politicians, so collusion would generally not benefit them on the whole. Moderation would occur either as a tactic to seize moderate voters and win elections, or out of the altruistic recognition that moderate policies are the most tolerable for the greatest amount of the population.



                          There are, however, a small number of policies in which the two parties do benefit from cooperating on. For instance, any radical campaign finance reform would strengthen independent parties, weaken Democrats, and weaken Republicans even more. Also, replacing the first-past-the-post (FPTP) election system with a superior system would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the top two parties. More inclusive public debates would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the two top parties (they would also reduce the public's ability to decide between the Republican and Democratic candidates, which is actually problematic, given that some voters already struggle to pick the better candidate). These are all areas in which the top two parties are unlikely to vote for reform.



                          But anyways, to the original question: why WOULDN'T they collude? The answer is because there is nothing stopping an outsider like me from running in a party primary, trying to get the party nomination, possibly winning it, and then trying to win the general. Even if the RNC offered to concede a loss in Ohio in exchange for a win in Illinois; they can't stop me, a self-interested party, from trying to run and pursue my own interests, which are in direct conflict with their agreement. Another reason is because there is genuine animus between the parties. A third reason is because there are not any real amount of benefits to this collusion -- why compromise when you can attempt to win it all? A fourth reason is the risk of facing charges of election tampering or conspiracy to defraud the public if they are caught. I honestly don't see how a rational mind could see there being more benefits than liabilities to party collusion (at least in America's current political environment. I could definitely see it in a system were several strong parties are all legitimately in-play).






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                            The primary driving force for U.S. members of congress (MoC) is pleasing your constituents and pleasing your donors; with pleasing your party's national convention being a third priority. Despite many of the other answers, an American MoC doesn't vote in an attempt to preserve a uniparty. If a MoC represents a district heavily predicated on sugar, and they receive large donations from the oil lobby, then that MoC's voting record is going to reflect a lot of pro-sugar, pro-oil bent. They might vote nay on anything outside of pro-sugar, pro-oil interests unless they can get a small pro-sugar or pro-oil earmark added to the bill or curry a favor that they can leverage later. There are a lot of MoC who do not have enough spine to vote in a way that would be politically unpopular in their district; i.e. pleasing the district voters is paramount. This is mostly out of self-interest; but anyone who believes in Republican representation respects the importance of representing your constituency's values, tempered with your own greater judgment (you were selected to be the smartest version of your constituency, after all).



                            However, many politicians actually do have ideology, and they got into politics for a reason. Outside of the tactics they use to get elected and stay elected, they still have an ambition to set policy on some economic and/or social issues that they care about. This is the battleground of most congressional votes. Most bills connect with each MoC in some ideological way, either for or against, but fail to connect with the special interests that they are personally subject to. Apart from the MoC's ideology, each bill tends to have some implication to the party platforms, and so all other things being equal, a MoC is likely to vote in according with their party platform. For instance, the DNC's platform favors greater funding for public education, so if a bill came up that appropriated greater funding for public education, it is likely that almost all Democratic MoC would vote in favor of it, excluding possibly 1 or 2 who might not be able to due to their district's special interests.



                            There are very few times or motivations when it mutually benefits both parties to collude to pick election winners. Party polarization actually drives greater campaign donations and richer politicians, so collusion would generally not benefit them on the whole. Moderation would occur either as a tactic to seize moderate voters and win elections, or out of the altruistic recognition that moderate policies are the most tolerable for the greatest amount of the population.



                            There are, however, a small number of policies in which the two parties do benefit from cooperating on. For instance, any radical campaign finance reform would strengthen independent parties, weaken Democrats, and weaken Republicans even more. Also, replacing the first-past-the-post (FPTP) election system with a superior system would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the top two parties. More inclusive public debates would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the two top parties (they would also reduce the public's ability to decide between the Republican and Democratic candidates, which is actually problematic, given that some voters already struggle to pick the better candidate). These are all areas in which the top two parties are unlikely to vote for reform.



                            But anyways, to the original question: why WOULDN'T they collude? The answer is because there is nothing stopping an outsider like me from running in a party primary, trying to get the party nomination, possibly winning it, and then trying to win the general. Even if the RNC offered to concede a loss in Ohio in exchange for a win in Illinois; they can't stop me, a self-interested party, from trying to run and pursue my own interests, which are in direct conflict with their agreement. Another reason is because there is genuine animus between the parties. A third reason is because there are not any real amount of benefits to this collusion -- why compromise when you can attempt to win it all? A fourth reason is the risk of facing charges of election tampering or conspiracy to defraud the public if they are caught. I honestly don't see how a rational mind could see there being more benefits than liabilities to party collusion (at least in America's current political environment. I could definitely see it in a system were several strong parties are all legitimately in-play).






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                            The primary driving force for U.S. members of congress (MoC) is pleasing your constituents and pleasing your donors; with pleasing your party's national convention being a third priority. Despite many of the other answers, an American MoC doesn't vote in an attempt to preserve a uniparty. If a MoC represents a district heavily predicated on sugar, and they receive large donations from the oil lobby, then that MoC's voting record is going to reflect a lot of pro-sugar, pro-oil bent. They might vote nay on anything outside of pro-sugar, pro-oil interests unless they can get a small pro-sugar or pro-oil earmark added to the bill or curry a favor that they can leverage later. There are a lot of MoC who do not have enough spine to vote in a way that would be politically unpopular in their district; i.e. pleasing the district voters is paramount. This is mostly out of self-interest; but anyone who believes in Republican representation respects the importance of representing your constituency's values, tempered with your own greater judgment (you were selected to be the smartest version of your constituency, after all).



                            However, many politicians actually do have ideology, and they got into politics for a reason. Outside of the tactics they use to get elected and stay elected, they still have an ambition to set policy on some economic and/or social issues that they care about. This is the battleground of most congressional votes. Most bills connect with each MoC in some ideological way, either for or against, but fail to connect with the special interests that they are personally subject to. Apart from the MoC's ideology, each bill tends to have some implication to the party platforms, and so all other things being equal, a MoC is likely to vote in according with their party platform. For instance, the DNC's platform favors greater funding for public education, so if a bill came up that appropriated greater funding for public education, it is likely that almost all Democratic MoC would vote in favor of it, excluding possibly 1 or 2 who might not be able to due to their district's special interests.



                            There are very few times or motivations when it mutually benefits both parties to collude to pick election winners. Party polarization actually drives greater campaign donations and richer politicians, so collusion would generally not benefit them on the whole. Moderation would occur either as a tactic to seize moderate voters and win elections, or out of the altruistic recognition that moderate policies are the most tolerable for the greatest amount of the population.



                            There are, however, a small number of policies in which the two parties do benefit from cooperating on. For instance, any radical campaign finance reform would strengthen independent parties, weaken Democrats, and weaken Republicans even more. Also, replacing the first-past-the-post (FPTP) election system with a superior system would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the top two parties. More inclusive public debates would strengthen independent parties while hurting the dominance of the two top parties (they would also reduce the public's ability to decide between the Republican and Democratic candidates, which is actually problematic, given that some voters already struggle to pick the better candidate). These are all areas in which the top two parties are unlikely to vote for reform.



                            But anyways, to the original question: why WOULDN'T they collude? The answer is because there is nothing stopping an outsider like me from running in a party primary, trying to get the party nomination, possibly winning it, and then trying to win the general. Even if the RNC offered to concede a loss in Ohio in exchange for a win in Illinois; they can't stop me, a self-interested party, from trying to run and pursue my own interests, which are in direct conflict with their agreement. Another reason is because there is genuine animus between the parties. A third reason is because there are not any real amount of benefits to this collusion -- why compromise when you can attempt to win it all? A fourth reason is the risk of facing charges of election tampering or conspiracy to defraud the public if they are caught. I honestly don't see how a rational mind could see there being more benefits than liabilities to party collusion (at least in America's current political environment. I could definitely see it in a system were several strong parties are all legitimately in-play).







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