Has any passenger airliner ever offered forward-facing windows?
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The empty, dolphin-like, forehead of the A380 seems like it would be an amazing place for the first and/or business class bar, especially if it had forward-facing windows.
I realize in the A380's case there are crew rest and storage compartments in that space, but wondered if there have ever been any passenger planes outfitted with forward-facing windows to enjoy the view?
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The empty, dolphin-like, forehead of the A380 seems like it would be an amazing place for the first and/or business class bar, especially if it had forward-facing windows.
I realize in the A380's case there are crew rest and storage compartments in that space, but wondered if there have ever been any passenger planes outfitted with forward-facing windows to enjoy the view?
Image source: lufthansa.com
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Not a complete answer, but there were plans to build a plane with a viewing dome on top of the fuselage. I haven't heard anything more about it so I'm guessing that, unsurprisingly, it was never put into production.
– KlaymenDK
14 hours ago
so does anyone know why such a seemingly awesome view isn't used for something like a bar in the A380?
– Bananenaffe
11 hours ago
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Probably because of the cost, weight, and structural complications that large windows entail. Party Ark's examples are all older aircraft that fly lower and slower than modern ones.
– KlaymenDK
9 hours ago
Other than takeoff and landing, is the view from the front that much better than from the side? Enough to pay for the high cost of building it? During takeoff and landings, no one would be allowed in the view lounge anyway, so seems like the most interesting view would be wasted.
– Johnny
6 hours ago
I have heard recently of aircraft offering rooms with virtual windows (using fibre optic cameras to get an outside view, not sure how they make up for lack for viewing angles!), but building on that you could add front facing views!?
– Wilf
3 hours ago
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up vote
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The empty, dolphin-like, forehead of the A380 seems like it would be an amazing place for the first and/or business class bar, especially if it had forward-facing windows.
I realize in the A380's case there are crew rest and storage compartments in that space, but wondered if there have ever been any passenger planes outfitted with forward-facing windows to enjoy the view?
Image source: lufthansa.com
airliner windows
asked 17 hours ago
Dan1701
23738
The empty, dolphin-like, forehead of the A380 seems like it would be an amazing place for the first and/or business class bar, especially if it had forward-facing windows.
I realize in the A380's case there are crew rest and storage compartments in that space, but wondered if there have ever been any passenger planes outfitted with forward-facing windows to enjoy the view?
Image source: lufthansa.com
airliner windows
asked 17 hours ago
Dan1701
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Dan1701
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asked 17 hours ago
Dan1701
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Dan1701
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Not a complete answer, but there were plans to build a plane with a viewing dome on top of the fuselage. I haven't heard anything more about it so I'm guessing that, unsurprisingly, it was never put into production.
– KlaymenDK
14 hours ago
so does anyone know why such a seemingly awesome view isn't used for something like a bar in the A380?
– Bananenaffe
11 hours ago
3
Probably because of the cost, weight, and structural complications that large windows entail. Party Ark's examples are all older aircraft that fly lower and slower than modern ones.
– KlaymenDK
9 hours ago
Other than takeoff and landing, is the view from the front that much better than from the side? Enough to pay for the high cost of building it? During takeoff and landings, no one would be allowed in the view lounge anyway, so seems like the most interesting view would be wasted.
– Johnny
6 hours ago
I have heard recently of aircraft offering rooms with virtual windows (using fibre optic cameras to get an outside view, not sure how they make up for lack for viewing angles!), but building on that you could add front facing views!?
– Wilf
3 hours ago
 |Â
show 1 more comment
3
Not a complete answer, but there were plans to build a plane with a viewing dome on top of the fuselage. I haven't heard anything more about it so I'm guessing that, unsurprisingly, it was never put into production.
– KlaymenDK
14 hours ago
so does anyone know why such a seemingly awesome view isn't used for something like a bar in the A380?
– Bananenaffe
11 hours ago
3
Probably because of the cost, weight, and structural complications that large windows entail. Party Ark's examples are all older aircraft that fly lower and slower than modern ones.
– KlaymenDK
9 hours ago
Other than takeoff and landing, is the view from the front that much better than from the side? Enough to pay for the high cost of building it? During takeoff and landings, no one would be allowed in the view lounge anyway, so seems like the most interesting view would be wasted.
– Johnny
6 hours ago
I have heard recently of aircraft offering rooms with virtual windows (using fibre optic cameras to get an outside view, not sure how they make up for lack for viewing angles!), but building on that you could add front facing views!?
– Wilf
3 hours ago
3
3
Not a complete answer, but there were plans to build a plane with a viewing dome on top of the fuselage. I haven't heard anything more about it so I'm guessing that, unsurprisingly, it was never put into production.
– KlaymenDK
14 hours ago
Not a complete answer, but there were plans to build a plane with a viewing dome on top of the fuselage. I haven't heard anything more about it so I'm guessing that, unsurprisingly, it was never put into production.
– KlaymenDK
14 hours ago
so does anyone know why such a seemingly awesome view isn't used for something like a bar in the A380?
– Bananenaffe
11 hours ago
so does anyone know why such a seemingly awesome view isn't used for something like a bar in the A380?
– Bananenaffe
11 hours ago
3
3
Probably because of the cost, weight, and structural complications that large windows entail. Party Ark's examples are all older aircraft that fly lower and slower than modern ones.
– KlaymenDK
9 hours ago
Probably because of the cost, weight, and structural complications that large windows entail. Party Ark's examples are all older aircraft that fly lower and slower than modern ones.
– KlaymenDK
9 hours ago
Other than takeoff and landing, is the view from the front that much better than from the side? Enough to pay for the high cost of building it? During takeoff and landings, no one would be allowed in the view lounge anyway, so seems like the most interesting view would be wasted.
– Johnny
6 hours ago
Other than takeoff and landing, is the view from the front that much better than from the side? Enough to pay for the high cost of building it? During takeoff and landings, no one would be allowed in the view lounge anyway, so seems like the most interesting view would be wasted.
– Johnny
6 hours ago
I have heard recently of aircraft offering rooms with virtual windows (using fibre optic cameras to get an outside view, not sure how they make up for lack for viewing angles!), but building on that you could add front facing views!?
– Wilf
3 hours ago
I have heard recently of aircraft offering rooms with virtual windows (using fibre optic cameras to get an outside view, not sure how they make up for lack for viewing angles!), but building on that you could add front facing views!?
– Wilf
3 hours ago
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We could start with the Tupolev ANT-20 with its rather daring forward-facing passenger gallery.
source
Like the Tupolev, most examples are inter-war. Here is the moderately successful Latécoère 521 being assembled showing its gallery beneath the cockpit :
source
... and the more esoteric Caproni Ca.60 which would have made for an interesting journey had it entered service -
source
-- EDIT - one special mention for the Junkers G.38 which also had a sizable glazed area in the wings. Unfortunately as far as I can tell (and despite what Wikipedia says) neither the nose nor wings were accessible by the passengers, but rather used by the navigators and engineers, which seems like a missed opportunity.
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answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
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I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
2
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
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That would definitely be an appealing feature for passengers but the airframe of the A380 at its forehead is too curved to be able to fit a viewing area for passengers. Furthermore, the design and operational (aerodynamic) costs associated with structuring an aircraft to be able to fit a cockpit and a forward viewing area, along with the cost of another set of cockpit-spec windows has economically ruled out such a feature for modern airlines competing in a market where ticket price rules all.
I would imagine airlines would opt to install remote viewing stations connected to external cameras before creating a space with forward facing windows. In fact, some airlines have already started to do just that -- Etihad's First Class "Apartment" seats have monitors that are connected to cameras with different viewing angles outside of the plane.
Many Soviet passenger aircraft did in fact have viewing areas in the nose of the aircraft aside from the cockpit. Unfortunately for travelers, these areas were designated for navigators, not passengers. Some examples:
Tu-104:
Tu-134:
An-12:
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
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The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
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2 Answers
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up vote
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We could start with the Tupolev ANT-20 with its rather daring forward-facing passenger gallery.
source
Like the Tupolev, most examples are inter-war. Here is the moderately successful Latécoère 521 being assembled showing its gallery beneath the cockpit :
source
... and the more esoteric Caproni Ca.60 which would have made for an interesting journey had it entered service -
source
-- EDIT - one special mention for the Junkers G.38 which also had a sizable glazed area in the wings. Unfortunately as far as I can tell (and despite what Wikipedia says) neither the nose nor wings were accessible by the passengers, but rather used by the navigators and engineers, which seems like a missed opportunity.
source
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
1
I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
2
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
24
down vote
We could start with the Tupolev ANT-20 with its rather daring forward-facing passenger gallery.
source
Like the Tupolev, most examples are inter-war. Here is the moderately successful Latécoère 521 being assembled showing its gallery beneath the cockpit :
source
... and the more esoteric Caproni Ca.60 which would have made for an interesting journey had it entered service -
source
-- EDIT - one special mention for the Junkers G.38 which also had a sizable glazed area in the wings. Unfortunately as far as I can tell (and despite what Wikipedia says) neither the nose nor wings were accessible by the passengers, but rather used by the navigators and engineers, which seems like a missed opportunity.
source
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
1
I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
2
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
24
down vote
up vote
24
down vote
We could start with the Tupolev ANT-20 with its rather daring forward-facing passenger gallery.
source
Like the Tupolev, most examples are inter-war. Here is the moderately successful Latécoère 521 being assembled showing its gallery beneath the cockpit :
source
... and the more esoteric Caproni Ca.60 which would have made for an interesting journey had it entered service -
source
-- EDIT - one special mention for the Junkers G.38 which also had a sizable glazed area in the wings. Unfortunately as far as I can tell (and despite what Wikipedia says) neither the nose nor wings were accessible by the passengers, but rather used by the navigators and engineers, which seems like a missed opportunity.
source
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
We could start with the Tupolev ANT-20 with its rather daring forward-facing passenger gallery.
source
Like the Tupolev, most examples are inter-war. Here is the moderately successful Latécoère 521 being assembled showing its gallery beneath the cockpit :
source
... and the more esoteric Caproni Ca.60 which would have made for an interesting journey had it entered service -
source
-- EDIT - one special mention for the Junkers G.38 which also had a sizable glazed area in the wings. Unfortunately as far as I can tell (and despite what Wikipedia says) neither the nose nor wings were accessible by the passengers, but rather used by the navigators and engineers, which seems like a missed opportunity.
source
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
edited 13 hours ago
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
answered 15 hours ago
Party Ark
1,093621
1,093621
1
I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
2
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
1
I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
2
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
1
1
I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
I was wondering why the Caproni Ca.60 looked familiar before I realized: Hayao Miyazaki animated that amazing aircraft in his film The Wind Rises.
– tonysdg
10 hours ago
2
2
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
Did the ANT-20's flight pilot/etc share the nose with the passenger gallery, or were they in the pod structure on the top?
– Dan Neely
9 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
@DanNeely the cutaway isn't brilliant, but it and the photo do show the cockpit area above and behind the gallery in a fairly conventional manner. The pod on top of the upper engine is not, despite appearances, for a person, but part of the cooling for the engine. There's a better cutaway here - flickr.com/photos/x-ray_delta_one/6986518667
– Party Ark
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
thank you. That picture was clearer, or was after I went into the page source to find the full res version. For some reason Flickr was only showing the lower res version even though it had a better one available.
– Dan Neely
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
Interesting aircraft. I suppose any examples of this features would be pre-1970s, before they realized that having actual seats with paying passengers was really the best way to go.
– Dan1701
7 hours ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
10
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That would definitely be an appealing feature for passengers but the airframe of the A380 at its forehead is too curved to be able to fit a viewing area for passengers. Furthermore, the design and operational (aerodynamic) costs associated with structuring an aircraft to be able to fit a cockpit and a forward viewing area, along with the cost of another set of cockpit-spec windows has economically ruled out such a feature for modern airlines competing in a market where ticket price rules all.
I would imagine airlines would opt to install remote viewing stations connected to external cameras before creating a space with forward facing windows. In fact, some airlines have already started to do just that -- Etihad's First Class "Apartment" seats have monitors that are connected to cameras with different viewing angles outside of the plane.
Many Soviet passenger aircraft did in fact have viewing areas in the nose of the aircraft aside from the cockpit. Unfortunately for travelers, these areas were designated for navigators, not passengers. Some examples:
Tu-104:
Tu-134:
An-12:
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
2
The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
10
down vote
That would definitely be an appealing feature for passengers but the airframe of the A380 at its forehead is too curved to be able to fit a viewing area for passengers. Furthermore, the design and operational (aerodynamic) costs associated with structuring an aircraft to be able to fit a cockpit and a forward viewing area, along with the cost of another set of cockpit-spec windows has economically ruled out such a feature for modern airlines competing in a market where ticket price rules all.
I would imagine airlines would opt to install remote viewing stations connected to external cameras before creating a space with forward facing windows. In fact, some airlines have already started to do just that -- Etihad's First Class "Apartment" seats have monitors that are connected to cameras with different viewing angles outside of the plane.
Many Soviet passenger aircraft did in fact have viewing areas in the nose of the aircraft aside from the cockpit. Unfortunately for travelers, these areas were designated for navigators, not passengers. Some examples:
Tu-104:
Tu-134:
An-12:
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
2
The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
add a comment |Â
up vote
10
down vote
up vote
10
down vote
That would definitely be an appealing feature for passengers but the airframe of the A380 at its forehead is too curved to be able to fit a viewing area for passengers. Furthermore, the design and operational (aerodynamic) costs associated with structuring an aircraft to be able to fit a cockpit and a forward viewing area, along with the cost of another set of cockpit-spec windows has economically ruled out such a feature for modern airlines competing in a market where ticket price rules all.
I would imagine airlines would opt to install remote viewing stations connected to external cameras before creating a space with forward facing windows. In fact, some airlines have already started to do just that -- Etihad's First Class "Apartment" seats have monitors that are connected to cameras with different viewing angles outside of the plane.
Many Soviet passenger aircraft did in fact have viewing areas in the nose of the aircraft aside from the cockpit. Unfortunately for travelers, these areas were designated for navigators, not passengers. Some examples:
Tu-104:
Tu-134:
An-12:
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
That would definitely be an appealing feature for passengers but the airframe of the A380 at its forehead is too curved to be able to fit a viewing area for passengers. Furthermore, the design and operational (aerodynamic) costs associated with structuring an aircraft to be able to fit a cockpit and a forward viewing area, along with the cost of another set of cockpit-spec windows has economically ruled out such a feature for modern airlines competing in a market where ticket price rules all.
I would imagine airlines would opt to install remote viewing stations connected to external cameras before creating a space with forward facing windows. In fact, some airlines have already started to do just that -- Etihad's First Class "Apartment" seats have monitors that are connected to cameras with different viewing angles outside of the plane.
Many Soviet passenger aircraft did in fact have viewing areas in the nose of the aircraft aside from the cockpit. Unfortunately for travelers, these areas were designated for navigators, not passengers. Some examples:
Tu-104:
Tu-134:
An-12:
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
answered 15 hours ago
Murey Tasroc
600210
600210
2
The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
add a comment |Â
2
The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
2
2
The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
The scumclass seat I was allocated on my Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Auckland (in Q1 2018) also had cameras accessible via the seat mounted monitor. We had great fun watching approach and landing.
– Gusdor
11 hours ago
add a comment |Â
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Not a complete answer, but there were plans to build a plane with a viewing dome on top of the fuselage. I haven't heard anything more about it so I'm guessing that, unsurprisingly, it was never put into production.
– KlaymenDK
14 hours ago
so does anyone know why such a seemingly awesome view isn't used for something like a bar in the A380?
– Bananenaffe
11 hours ago
3
Probably because of the cost, weight, and structural complications that large windows entail. Party Ark's examples are all older aircraft that fly lower and slower than modern ones.
– KlaymenDK
9 hours ago
Other than takeoff and landing, is the view from the front that much better than from the side? Enough to pay for the high cost of building it? During takeoff and landings, no one would be allowed in the view lounge anyway, so seems like the most interesting view would be wasted.
– Johnny
6 hours ago
I have heard recently of aircraft offering rooms with virtual windows (using fibre optic cameras to get an outside view, not sure how they make up for lack for viewing angles!), but building on that you could add front facing views!?
– Wilf
3 hours ago